MINUTES
CITY COUNCIL
MEETING
MONDAY FEBRUARY
28, 2005
PRESENT: Mayor Wayne Beer
Mayor Pro Tem Carol Rudi
Councilman Bill Cross
Councilman Les Smith
Councilman Joe Evans
City Manager Kirk Davis
City Counselor David Ramsay
City Clerk Cathy Swenson
Mayor Wayne Beer opened the Regular February 28, 2005,
City Council Meeting at 7:30 PM in the
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OF PUBLIC HEARING
February
28, 2005
City
Hall
Attendance:
City Council Members:
Mr. Wayne Beer, Mayor
Ms. Carol Rudi, Mayor Pro Tem
Mr. Joe Evans, Councilman
Mr. Bill Cross, Councilman
Mr. Les Smith, Councilman
Staff:
Mr. Scott Wingerson, Assistant City Manager
Mr. Dave Ramsay, City Attorney
Ms. Cathy Swenson, Clerk
Mr. Kirk Davis, City Manager
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ITEM 1:
MAYOR BEER: It’s nearly 7:30. If we could please be seated and we’ll take a
few more seconds here before we commence.
Okay. If we could call the
meeting to order for the Gladstone City Council Meeting, regularly scheduled
tonight, the 28th of February of 2005.
ITEM
2:
MAYOR
BEER: Madame Clerk, would you please note that all Council Members are present.
ITEM
3:
MAYOR
BEER: Would you all please rise and join me in the recitation of the Pledge of
Allegiance.
(Wherein the Pledge of Allegiance was said)
ITEM
4:
MAYOR BEER: Item number 4 on the agenda is
Approval of the Regular February 14, 2005 City Council Meeting Minutes.
COUNCILMAN CROSS: Mayor Beer.
MAYOR BEER: Councilman Cross.
COUNCILMAN CROSS: I move to approve the
Regular February 14, 2005 City Council Meeting Minutes.
COUNCILMAN EVANS: Second.
MAYOR BEER: Motion is made and seconded to
approve the meeting minutes as presented.
Is there any discussion? All
those, then, in favor please say aye?
(Wherein all members said aye)
MAYOR BEER: Opposed?
(Wherein there was no response)
MAYOR BEER: The meeting minutes are approved
as presented.
ITEM
4A:
MAYOR
BEER: Item number 4A is an issue that I find great pleasure in doing and that’s
a couple of recognitions I would like to make.
And would Dick Davis, would you please join me at the podium? This plaque I’m about to present to Dick
Davis is in recognition to his leadership role that he took with regards to the
first phases of putting together a tax campaign, which was equally successfully
passed by the citizens of Gladstone.
Dick Davis was one of the two co-chairs on a group of citizens, which at
one time or another numbered approximately 100 people. It was a group that was called
MR. DAVIS: Mr. Mayor, two things. First of all, when you co-chair an effort
like this, the chair gets too much of the credit and the other 98 get too
little. It took a lot of hard work by
the 100 people and I get more recognition than I deserve for it. The other thing I want to say is, as you
know, it resulted in the package of a tax increase and a tax extension with a
big majority and I think, Mr. Mayor, it’s something that you as Mayor, every
member of the City Council, every member of the Administration Staff, should be
proud of because what that election really represented is the great confidence
of the people in this City to think Gladstone is just one of the best when it
comes to responsiveness and listens to its people and that’s why the election
passed and I think we all should be proud of that and I’m proud to be part of
it. Thank you.
MAYOR BEER: It was a difficult thing, I know,
for the group Citizens Gladstone on the Move to suggest that the Council raise
our taxes. That had to be very difficult
for them to say and to suggest. I know
that everyone in this room was thinking to himself just a year ago, gee, I
wonder if we could maybe do something here to raise my taxes. Well, we’ve found a way and we believe that
we found that way because of this group and then the succeeding group, which
I’m just about to recognize, people in this room and, in fact, the entire City
of Gladstone saw the merits in the tax increase request and it’s now up to us to
follow through with the things that we promised to do and that’s something that
this City has always done in its past and it’s one of the reasons I believe
that this City had faith in passing this tax this time because they knew,
because of Gladstone’s history, that this will, that we will still follow
through as we always have in the past.
ITEM
4b:
MAYOR
BEER: Don Horton, would you please come forward?
ITEM
5:
MAYOR
BEER: Item number 5 is the Consent Agenda.
Madame Clerk, would you please explain and read the consent agenda?
MS. SWENSON: Yes, sir. A consent agenda allows the City Council to
consider and approve routine items of business without discussion. Any member of the City Council, the City
Staff, or the public may request removal of any item from the consent agenda
and request that it be considered under the regular agenda if discussion or
debate of the item is desired. Items not
removed from the consent agenda will stand approved upon motion by any Council
Member, second, and unanimous vote to approve the consent agenda as published
or modified. The consent agenda is as
follows: Resolution R-05-21, adopting changes to the structure and allowing
enhancements of the benefits of the City of Gladstone, Missouri Flexible
Benefits Plan. Approval of a new Class A
& B 7-day liquor by the drink license for Dominic’s Pizza & Pasta, Inc.
at 6300 North Oak Trafficway. Managing
officer, Dominic Carl Spino. And
approval of the financial reports for January, 2005.
COUNCILMAN CROSS: Mayor Beer.
MAYOR BEER: Councilman Cross.
COUNCILMAN CROSS: I move to approve the
consent agenda.
COUNCILMAN EVANS: Second.
MAYOR BEER: Motion is made to approve the
consent agenda as presented. All those
in favor, please say aye?
COUNCILMAN CROSS: Removal.
MAYOR BEER: My mistake. Thank you very much. Point of order here is that one of the
provisions of the consent agenda is that anyone in the audience may seek to
have an item removed from the consent agenda for separate consideration. Is there anyone in the audience who would
like to see a consent agenda item removed?
(Wherein there was no response)
MAYOR BEER: Council?
COUNCIL: No.
MAYOR BEER: Staff?
STAFF: No, sir.
MAYOR BEER: Now, then, motion is made and
seconded to approve the consent agenda.
All those in favor please say aye?
(Wherein all said aye)
MAYOR BEER: Opposed?
(Wherein there was no response)
MAYOR BEER: The consent agenda is approved as
presented.
ITEM
6:
Mayor
beer: Item number 6 is Communications from the Audience. We would take, if there is anyone who is in
the audience who would like to address the City Council on any item which is
not on the agenda, please come forward, state your name and address and say
your peace. Seeing none.
ITEM
7:
MAYOR
BEER: Communications from the City Council.
Let me start with Councilman Evans.
COUNCILMAN EVANS: I have nothing this
evening, Mayor Beer.
MAYOR BEER: Councilman Smith.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: I’m thinking, Mayor, I
would just like to echo your sentiments to former Mayor Dick Davis, as a matter
of fact, and to Don Horton. Tax
campaigns are tough. And Dick had hair
and Don’s was dark black when they started this, but thank you very much for
what you did in helping move our community forward. And there’s a person, I believe, in the
audience, she is here, who, you know, we had in our Boards and Commissions
banquet Friday night, we had about a half a dozen former Mayors who are still
actively involved in the City. And one
of those who really stood up without being asked and took a leadership role in
this campaign is former Mayor Anita Newsom, and I would like to commend her and
thank her for her efforts in this as well.
Please pass along to everyone who worked, both on the
MAYOR BEER: Councilman Cross.
COUNCILMAN CROSS: Yes, sir. I would like to add to some of the things
that they said, but also to the fact that we had, last Friday night, over 130
people on the different Boards and Commissions volunteers that have worked with
the City of Gladstone over the past year.
We certainly appreciate the 130 that did show up and we hope we can do
this quite often. I think it is
something very, very worthwhile. Also, I
would like to thank the City Administration, and actually the State of Missouri,
for giving us the opportunity to go to Jeff City last week. We did a little lobbying. We met with a few of our Representatives and
Senators and let them know exactly how we felt, in Jeff City, what we thought
we needed in Gladstone and we thought they believed what we had to say and we
hope that we can get these things passed in Jeff City, but we would like to
thank them for the opportunity to being able to do that.
MAYOR BEER: Mayor Pro Tem Rudi.
MS. RUDI: Actually, I have just two things
tonight. First of all, I was not able to
attend Friday night’s Board and Commission dinner. Much to my regret, I had to work that
night. And I would like to thank
everyone who has served on Boards and Commissions for us in the last couple of
years. So for all your time and effort,
I really do appreciate all the work you’ve done. And secondly, I’ve got a publication that’s
just recently come out from the Parks and Rec. Department. I would like to say thank you very much,
another nice piece of work, Director Lillis.
MAYOR BEER: I think everything’s just about
been said, so I have nothing more.
ITEM
8:
MAYOR
BEER: Item number 8 is Communications from the City Manager.
MR. DAVIS: I have nothing tonight, sir.
ITEM
9:
MAYOR BEER: Item number 9 is a Continued
Public Hearing for consideration of a request to rezone from RCH-1 (Cluster
Housing) to CP-1 (Commercial Planned Local Business) and a Site Plan revision
at property generally located at 64th Street and North Prospect
Avenue. The applicant is Northlander
Properties, LLC. The owner, Curry
Investment Company. And this is file
number 1242. And the public hearing is
now reopened and the conduct of the public hearing will be that we will hear
first from Staff with regards to this project, who then will, we will then hear
from the applicant. It would be followed
by those who are in favor of the project and those, then, who are opposed to
the project. Mr. Wingerson.
MR. WINGERSON: Mayor Beer and members of the
Council, thank you very much. I would
like to start by explaining some of the information that’s at your
disposal. Attached is a packet that was
provided tonight with communications from residents who called today, as well
as a letter that was provided today. I
just wanted to make you aware of those.
Two phone messages. One from Ms.
Segal(ph) and one from Ms. Rattan and then a letter from Mr. and Mrs. Clayton,
available for your review. The packet
that was provided last week contains a lot of information. As usual, it will be in the Staff report and,
in this case, a supplemental description of the request, draft of bills for
your consideration and site visit report from the Planning Commission, a
Planning Commission public hearing transcripts and minutes, other resident
correspondence, a petition that we’ll talk about more in just a second and then
all of the development plan and the history of the development plan and the
issue that’s pending before you tonight.
The applicant is requesting two actions from the City Council this
evening. The first is a zoning change
from its current classification of RCH-1 to that of a CP-1. That contains 3.43 acres. The eastern portion of the site, you’ll see
graphically in just a minute, is currently zoned CP-1, the western half is
currently zoned RCH-1. It’s only the
western portion that is the subject of the zoning change. The zoning change is also subject to a
protest petition that’s in effect. It’s
only on the zoning change and does not apply to the site plan and requires full
Council votes to pass affirmatively. Of
the protest petition, it’s been determined to be valid, containing
approximately 79 percent of the adjacent property owners that qualify to sign
the petition itself. The second action
is site plan approval that’s pretty overall on a site which is just short of 8
acres. And there’s a whole host of
additional action, should the Council reach a decision on this matter to move
it forward, you have final plat development permits, construction permits and
then the development process will start pending your decision. The site itself is generally located at the
northwest corner of 64th Street and Antioch Road. You can see 72nd Street as an
arterial to the north. Englewood Road is
an arterial to the south. 64th
Street and Pleasant Valley road leading to 435 on the east and 64th
Street leading towards North Oak Trafficway to the west. The surrounding land uses to the site are for
mainly single family to the north a dance studio and single family residential
to the south. East is retail in the form
of Prospect Plaza and west is single family residential. An aerial photograph allows you to begin to
see this site itself. You can see an
area of fill that will be brown in color on the screen. You can see the arterial roadway, State right
of way, North Prospect, or M-1, to the east of the site and the right side of
the drawing, 64th Street to the south. You begin to see the neighborhoods and single
family homes to the north, southwest, and a little bit of a dance studio to the
south. You can see that this site has
significant topography. You can see that
primarily the west and north edges of the site are fairly heavily wooded. Graphically, the zoning looks a little bit
like this. The blue area at the
northwest corner of North Prospect at 64th Street is currently zoned
CP-1. The green portion is the area in
discussion for the zoning change.
Currently, it’s zoned to RCH-1.
You can see commercial zoning to the east, a little bit to the south,
and single family, as you would expect, with the surrounding lines uses to the
southwest. This property has a zoning
history. In May of 1978, the entire
parcel was zoned R-1. In May, it was
changed, the eastern portion, to CP-1.
It’s the first introduction of commercial zoning on this piece of
property. In June of 1990, the western
portion was changed from R-1 to RCH-1.
And then in March of 2000, there was a special use permit and a site
plan, that was actually withdrawn by the applicant for the Green Lantern. This is a currently approved development
plan. It was approved in approximately
1978 and I would like to highlight just a couple of things for you. One, you start to see commercial activity on
the eastern portion, residential activity on the western portion, as you would
expect with the current zoning. Please
note, full access driveway is proposed on North Prospect, as well as on 64th
Street in the form of the extension of North Wabash. These uses are restaurant, bank and retail
strip that are proposed here. It’s
currently zoned CP-1. At this point, it
would be necessary to implement this development plan to seek the appropriate
building permit and construct the improvements.
This is a Green Lantern plan, just to refresh the Council’s memory. You can see, again, full access driveway on
North Prospect, full access driveway on 64th Street. The Green Lantern was a convenience store,
guest pump and car wash facility located mainly at the intersection. Again, you see the remainder being
residential in compliance with the current zoning. The proposed land development, overall, is
approximately 7.9 acres. Again, 3.4 acres
is subject to the zoning change. The
overall development plan includes 33,000 square feet of retail. It’s anticipated the site would be subdivided
into 4 lots. There’s over 200 parking
spaces. A significant use of retaining
walls to mitigate grade concerns and typical accessory improvements, such as
drives, trash enclosures, landscaping, lighting and things like that. This is the first view of the development
plan. I would just like to highlight a
couple of notes. There’s a total of 5
buildings. One on the northeast corner
and 1 on the southeast corner, 1 kind of centrally located and then 2 on the
western portion. The first 3, typically
referred to as pad sites or free standing buildings, the back 2 buildings are
more considered strip retail. The
developer has provided, and will explain to you, architectural elevations for
these back 2 buildings and explain to you their concepts and theories in
achieving that design and style.
Elevations for the front are not available, mainly because the tenant,
or tenants, or occupants of those pad sites have yet to be determined. There’s been an awful lot of discussion about
the specific uses, specifically relating to these 3 areas. At this point, those aren’t known; however,
this is very, very normal in the planning process as the developer seeks City
approval and then begins the tenant recruitment process ultimately resulting in
the physical development of the property.
Here is another view, a little bit closer view, of the proposed site
plan. Again, if you note the access onto
North Prospect, aligns with Prospect Plaza directly on the east side, full
access roadway at 64th Street just west of the intersection at 64th
and Prospect and then the proposed right in, right out only access point, it
aligns generally with North Wabash. This
is a very busy drawing. The main intent
in here is to show the significant topography that exists on the site and how
it would be mitigated with the use of retaining walls, also begins to highlight
storm water concerns in the form of detention basin at the northwest corner and
north centrally located on the property in accordance with City standards. During the public hearing, there was
significant discussion about lighting and overflow lighting into the site. Here are some illustrative examples as
provided by the developer as to what they would propose for zoning
lighting. As you can see, it’s very
directional and intended to light only what it’s intended to light. Site lighting guidelines are generally
universal in that you only light as much as you need to light. There are different types of lighting
patterns, a more general broad lighting pattern or a more directive lighting
pattern. The light fixtures that are
proposed by the developer are fully adjustable to achieve all of those patterns
and would be utilized in a way to minimize the overflow lighting into adjacent
areas. Staff, there’s a lot of retaining
walls in the project. Staff, one of the
Staff recommendations is to require a rough textured retaining wall. Here are 2 examples, again provided by the
developer, of rough textured retaining walls.
There will be more discussion of that as we get to the conditions. Grading and erosion control plan was raised
at the public hearing. This drawing
shows the use of silt fence with the heavy black line with circles on it. Rock filters near the proposed inlets to
ensure a minimal amount of erosion and sedimentation end up downstream. You can also again begin to see very well the
drainage system itself from the parking lot to the detention basins and then to
the channel to the north and that’s consistent for both portions of the
property, north, south, east and west.
The system is designed, overall, to accommodate a 100 year storm and it
is calculated to run off as calculated in its vegetative state. So it would not be any worse than that
now. This is a landscape plan. Again, it’s a busy drawing with a lot of
topography, but you can see an extensive use of landscape islands in the
parking lots, heavy use of trees, and vegetative plantings surrounding the
buildings to create an entry way from both North Prospect and Northeast 64th
Street. This is a good drawing to show
that the buildings on the western portion, the strip buildings do not have any
vehicular access. Originally, that was a
concern due to fire protection. The
developer has done a good job working with our fire division personnel in
placing hydrants so that vehicular access for fire safety is not required and
servicing of the buildings can be handled provided by a single person
walkway. This is a detail of the
proposed right in, right out intersection.
As you can see, this is certainly designed to encourage travelers to go
west on 64th Street and not try to make a U-turn and go east. In fact, the U-turn requires the driver to
hop the curb on 64th Street before proceeding to the east toward the
single lane intersection. One of the
issues we’ve continued to wrestle with just a little bit is significant hump,
as a technical term, on 64th Street.
What the developer has proposed is to reduce the height of the vertical
curve in 64th Street by filling certain areas of the roadway and
cuttings some areas of the roadway. What
that results is a safer roadway system, entire road network, for 64th
Street, Waldron and Park, and for pedestrians.
This would also include the provision of sidewalks on the south side of
64th Street from generally North Park to Antioch Road, from North
Park to Antioch Road on the north side, as well as sidewalks heading north
along the development site. This is the
beginning of the recommended conditions of the Staff. Let me just highlight some of the original
conditions. They’re all contained in
your draft bill. As usual, we’re
requiring for appropriate storm water and traffic studies, will require MODOT
approval; however, I’ll tell you MODOT is currently in concurrence with this
development plan, which provides an acceleration/deceleration lane on M-1 from
a proposed jut to the south and a deceleration lane on 64th Street
heading west from the intersection. Of
course, compliance with all public improvements and construction requirements
are pretty much a normal thing. Rough
textured retaining walls. You saw
examples of that earlier in the presentation.
We’re proposing that hours of operation be limited from 6:00 a.m. to 12
midnight. Trash pickup between 8:00 a.m
and 6:00 p.m. No overnight tractor
trailer storage. Rooftop equipment
screened and dumpsters enclosed and that a single compliant monument sign be
used. The complicated part of this
overall recommendation is now communicating what’s occurred at the Planning
Commission level. During the Planning
Commission Public Hearing, numerous issues were raised and we tried to address
most of those. The first being
traffic. The main point there was access
at the M-1, proposed M-1 driveway across from Prospect Plaza. Site distances on 64th, because of
the hill in that roadway and the practical functionality of ensuring the
appropriate protections in the construction of the right in, right out
driveway. For the first two, what’s
proposed is a developing agreement that would provide generally for a
northbound left turn lane into the proposed development and site, would provide
for the reducing the hill at Northeast 64th Street and the
construction of those sidewalks. And
then we just looked at the exhibit showing that is very, very difficult to make
an eastbound turn from the right in, right out only driveway. Second issue had to do with storm water and
drainage. The project engineer, I’m
sure, will do a good job explaining to you how they came to the conclusions
that I’ve tried to just kind of explain to you tonight. The standard requires that under any
circumstances, including the 100 year event, that the rate and amount of runoff
do not exceed pre-development conditions for a specified period of time. That’s very normal and typical in a
requirement that we passed forth to developers on all cases like this. Again, the developer has provided a very
sound erosion and sediment control plan to protect the stream bed at the north
end and the west portions of the site.
There are an awful lot of miscellaneous issues that don’t fit into any
one really good category. The
neighborhood raised the issue of increased speed on 64th
Street. That is typically an enforcement
issue and not a planning and land use issue.
There was comment about an exposed sanitary sewer. Our Public Works Staff, including Director
Williams, investigated this issue and found very, very little evidence that
that existed. However, to be on the safe
side, we have recommended in condition form a condition that would require that
to be repaired should it be developed or observed during the construction
process. During a public hearing, there
was an awful lot of discussion about the qualifications of the developer. Ms. Wheeler, the primary developer, has 8
years of residential construction and real estate experience. Mr. McAfee, the project engineer, has 13
years of engineering experience. Mr.
Oppermann has over 25 years of experience in planning and landscape
architecture. Mr. Cantrell has 30 years
of experience in building architecture.
And Mr. Mann, Bill Mann, who serves as a consultant in this project, has
been a development consultant and a developer himself for over 35 years north
of the river. A resident asked if
property tax rates, water rates, sewer rates, and those types of things would
go up because of this development. That
is not the case as it relates to property owners outside of the development site. Restaurant owners was raised as a
concern. A supplemental condition
addresses this concern by requiring the very highest efficiency and quality
filtering systems that are available and a follow-up mechanism at the end to
ensure that, in fact, they are operating as designed. Light control, we talked about that. There’s also a condition relating to
that. While maintenance was a concern, and
again a condition to maintain that with perpetuity, structurally and
aesthetically, is proposed in your draft bill.
There were a lot of other concerns ranging from what’s the detention
basin at 68th Street for, why did you do the Park project or the
Garfield project, the current zoning at the Northhaven Village Condos, the
parking at a building on 72nd Street, and how many zoning changes
that we had in the last period of time, so we provided all of that information
back to the Planning Commission and hopefully, therefore, to the public. If you have any questions about those, I
would be glad to address them. Originally,
there were, I believe, 22 original conditions.
After the Planning Commission Meeting, additional conditions were
requested. In your draft bill, I
believe, they are conditions number 23 through 26. The primary condition is number 23. The developer and the City shall negotiate
and enter into a development agreement that provides for improvements to M-1,
designed to improve traffic safety and mitigate traffic congestion. The agreement shall also provide for reconstruction
of Northeast 64th Street at North Wabash to create safe site
distances and provide curb, gutter and sidewalk. Finally, the development agreement will
analyze and repair any currently exposed sanitary sewers. Condition 24 has to do with the odor
producing businesses, 25 having to do with the light fixtures and 26 having to
do with the retaining walls. The
Planning Commission recommends approval to the City Council by a vote of 8 to 2
on the zoning change and recommends approval of the site plan by a vote of 7 to
3, as recorded last Tuesday night.
Council has an awful lot of options and it’s always dangerous to try and
explain these options because they work in combination. In general, the Council, on the zoning
change, could deny that request. If you
chose to do that, then there would be no need to consider the site plan that
follows on your agenda. If the Council
had approved this zoning change, however, the protest petition is in effect, so
that would require 4 Council votes to move that forward. In terms of the site plan, of course you
could deny the site plan. You could
approve the site plan as recommended or additional conditions based on
testimony tonight. And that’s about it. At this point, I’d be glad to answer any
questions that you have for me at this time.
I know the development team is raring to go.
MAYOR BEER: Mr. Wingerson, I do have one
question that kind of popped out at me.
You had indicated there was a, that the storm water plan was for the 100
year event.
MR. WINGERSON: Correct.
MAYOR BEER: And maybe I misunderstood what I
was reading, but in the Council Minutes of the January the 3rd
Meeting, I believe I read in the notes that it was to a 25 year event.
MR. WINGERSON: Yeah. I think, I think in total, when you read
that, that provision, I think the engineer was making a point about the
different point and used 25 years as an example. This request certainly complies with the
City’s policy as it relates to storm water accommodating the 10, 15, 25, 50 and
100 year storm, so I’m sure the engineer will clarify that for you during their
presentation.
MAYOR BEER: Is there anyone else on the
Council who has a question, at this point?
(Wherein there was no response)
MAYOR BEER: Thank you, Mr. Wingerson. Is there anyone here from or representing the
applicant?
MS. WHEELER: Mayor and City Council, my name
is Bonnie Wheeler. My husband and I
reside at 11201 Northeast Reinking, Kansas City, Missouri. We are the potential developers for this
property located at 64th and Prospect. I feel we, my husband and myself and our team
of experts, have put together a great deal of time and effort and came up with
a very appealing design for the City of Gladstone and for this piece of
property. I hope after hearing your
presentation, you will feel the same. We
were here to answer any questions that you have for us, so I would like to
introduce to you our team of professional people. Our first one is Joe McAfee of McAfee,
Henderson & Strick, Leavenworth, Kansas.
Also an associate of Joe’s is Pete Oppermann, he’s our land designer and
architect. He’s not able to be here
tonight. And our architect is Steve
Cantrell of Stephen Jay Cantrell & Associates. Each will take a few moments to show you what
we have put together. So thank you for
your time.
MR. MCAFEE: Commission, my name is Joe McAfee
with McAfee, Henderson & Strick. I
am the civil engineer for the project.
Mr. Oppermann could not be with us this evening, but I will certainly
entertain any technical questions that you may have dealing with the layout of
the project as Mr. Oppermann and I have worked together closely on several
development projects of this type. Mr.
Wingerson did an excellent job and a thorough job of explaining several of the
issues that this project has faced as we have come through with the development. And I wanted to do, I will certainly answer
any technical questions that you may have.
In lieu of just going over the plan and reiterating what Mr. Wingerson
was saying about the layout, I would like to hit some of the key points that
came across as we worked on this project.
We started the project with Bonnie and Gary Wheeler, the developers, in
October of 2004. And when we were hired,
we were basically asked if we could put together that shows the piece of land
they were looking at. They wanted us to
put together a development that they could be proud of as actually retaining
some of the ownership and being a long term owner of a portion of the land, but
that also created some commercial lots that could be sold to try to finance the
project, so it could be built that way in its entirety. When we started in October, one of the things
that was important was a diversity of lot size.
We had seen the original plan of the Green Lantern. The Wheelers were not interested in trying to
bring another convenience store to Gladstone.
They wanted a mixed type use, a mixed type use in the way of lot sizes
that we could try to, basically, get a diverse listing of the businesses that
are able to be placed in C-1 zoning. And
they went through several iterations with the Wheelers looking in on us and
showed them several renditions. And it
took about 5 renditions to get to something they were truly comfortable with
the lamp lighting. And then we started
working with Staff. We worked with,
starting with Mr. Wingerson, we had several meetings with Kirk Rome(ph), the
Public Works Director, we met with the fire department, and basically we
addressed these issues as they came up dealing with the storm drainage, dealing
with the lighting, the potential lighting and that situation, dealing with the
screening and the plan continued to get better and converge on a better plan
each time we had a meeting. On November
30th we held a meeting with the neighborhood and some of the
concerns that addressed it, we tried to rank them in importance. One of them was concern for screening to the
north and the west. Concern for storm
drainage runoff, concerns of traffic, noise associated with a commercial development,
lighting associated with a commercial development and safety for their
children. Over the next month and a
half, we went back to the drawing board and we worked with Staff and we worked
with those specialists, we brought in a lighting specialist. Pete, Mr. Oppermann, spent time really
concerned with the setback requirements and the screening that had to occur on
the north and the west to make sure we were meeting the screening requirements
of the citizens. The Planning Commission
held a site visit as is normal for the City of Gladstone. I’ve never done that in any other city and I
thought it was a great idea once we went through it, and we got to explain, the
best we could, how we were addressing them.
As we work through these issues, we basically went through some more
revisions of the plan and what we’ve finally submitted to the Planning
Commission on this last meeting, I believe is the best we could put together
for trying to appease all the standards associated with this project. I want to list some of the positives that this
plan has. Basically, the plan maintains
a vegetative state around the entirety to the north and the west. And in some cases, exceeding the 35-foot
buffer that is required by your City.
The plan has a diversity in lot size, so that we can hopefully bring in
different types of businesses to create more of that neighborhood business
feel. There was a comment at the
Planning Commission, on a vote when it was going through the plan itself, by
Commissioner Newsom, and she mentioned that she couldn’t vote for this plan
because each one of these sites identified a drive-thru and we took that to
heart and we came back and we talked about it after the meeting. Luckily the plan still approved, was
approved, but the development team wanted me to go on record, at the City
Meeting, stating that the traffic study that we submitted to MODOT, that’s been
approved by MODOT, only allows us to put 1 drive-thru facility restaurant area
in this development. It is not our
intention, it never was the intention, to fill this thing up with fast food
joints, so much more, 180 degrees the other way. We want something that the Wheelers can be
proud to say that they are a part of for the long haul. Some of the other positive points, we’ve put
together an internal graphs routing system with two drives that we’ve labeled
drive A and drive B. It became very
apparent in the early goings of this project that it was going to take 3
entrances, and 2 of them being onto 64th Street, to make this work
to MODOT’s compliance, to get the traffic split up enough where no one intersection
was being overloaded. And I just want to
point out that, as opposed to just being a strip commercial area that just all
used 64th Street for their driveways, the developers have taken upon
themselves to actually put an infrastructure system internal of the streets
that will actually help people get safely from one shop to the other one. Another thing I want to point out was that it
provides an erosion control system when considering the inside to the north, there
was a concern and this is going to come to Mayor Beer’s question about the 25
year, there was a concern among the people to the north that if this developed,
there is a swale that runs down the back of all these homeowners lots and it
was going to be inundated with water.
First of all, in terms of the 25 year, when an underground pipe system
is placed in a commercial setting, it has to be capable of handling a 25 year
event. And in respect to residential, if
we were working in a residential development, that underground pipe and curb
inlet system would have to handle a 10 year storm, so it’s a bigger
system. It costs more. It gives more safety. But that’s the 25 year question that you had,
Mayor Beer. The 100 year, and it’s more
than just a 100 year, there’s 2 retention or detention ponds on this site and I
don’t know if you, you may not be able to see it if you haven’t studied the
plan that much, but basically every bit of impervious area on this site is
directed to those 2 detention areas.
It’s not directed over a hill or through another pipe, what they call
routing a portion of it through your detention facility and letting the rest of
it release unprotected, it’s all routed to these 2 detention areas. And what we do is we design to the American
Public Works Association guidelines that says when the 5 year event comes, that
it’s being a higher peak than what it was before we can get in and develop
it. When the 10 year comes, it won’t be
- when the 25 comes, and so on, the 50, the 100, so it’s not just a 100 year
protection, it’s basically saying that when it rains in Gladstone, the outfall
from these detention facilities that meter all the water coming off this site
will be less or equal to what was there before we came here. By putting these detention areas in and by
allowing pipes to take the water out of these detention areas strictly straight
to the swale that’s in the backyard, we’ve taken away the water routing that
used to just fall over the hill. And if
you’ve been by the site, it is a massive hill, it’s 20 feet high, of runoff and
there is some erosion back there because water has just basically been allowed
to roll over it and pick up speed as it runs down to the swale. What I’m trying to say is, that’s all going
to be taken away because we’re catching that water at the top of the hill and
directing it into our controlled environment.
So I looked at that as a positive, because I really do. I’ve walked the site and I really do feel
like we are going to improve the runoff for that area over what is there right
now. And you can’t say that in a lot of
developments, I dare to mention. The
last thing, one of the last turns the project went through, we’ve tried so hard
with the right in, right out, working with MODOT and having 3 meetings with
Steve Holiday with MODOT and Norm Bowers to make certain that we have a safe
riding of a right out only on 64th Street. And Mr. Wingerson showed you details where
the Planning Commissioner asked us to bring back proof, because everybody
seeing right in, right out said just don’t do it. And MODOT had a special one that they had
found had been working, but some additional discussion with Staff basically got
us to the point where we determined we needed more of a compromise if we were
going to be showing that we were good neighbors, we were going to have to try
to do some improvements to 64th Street. So, that’s the last positive. This project creates the sales tax money,
then in turn fixes 64th Street, which in turn puts sidewalks on the south side,
which was a pedestrian issue that the homeowners there were concerned
with. So what we’re trying to show is,
that we’re truly trying to leave this project better than what it was when we
came on board. And like I said, I will
answer any technical questions from the civil engineering or the land layout. Mr. Steve Cantrell, the project architect,
would like to discuss the buildings, but if you have anything, any discussion
points on the technical side of the development, I would certainly listen to
those and address them as best I can.
MAYOR BEER: Mayor Pro Tem Rudi looks like she
has a question.
MAYOR PRO TEM RUDI: I have one. You talked about leaving, the water leaving
the site will be no worse than it is right now, however, one of the issues that
was brought up is that since that land has been cleared, that there seems to be
more water leaving that site than previously.
Will you be able to adjust this, so that the water that leaves it goes
back to the time when the vegetation was still there? Does that make sense?
MR. MCAFEE: Yes. It does.
MAYOR PRO TEM RUDI: Okay.
MR. MCAFEE: From a technical aspect,
typically a timber area will have more runoff than a grass area. It has to do with the grass can’t grow
because it’s being shaded, so you have a lot of dirt cover on the ground. You do have some debris from the trees. I would have thought, and if the citizens
that live by there are saying it’s worse, then obviously they’re going to know
it better than me, but I would have thought that by clearing that land and
grassing that land, the runoff would have decreased. What we are required to take it back to when
we design by APWA standards, they talked about impermia ability ratios. Asphalt or concrete would be one, which means
everything is going to run off. What
they asked us to design to alleviate the run off, the APWA requirements for the
lowest impermiability, or the highest impermiability rate there is and that’s
.3, which they classify as turf and grass.
So I can tell you that that’s what we will meet. I will, I guess I’ll wonder a little bit if a
lot of that runoff isn’t being caused because maybe it didn’t get seeded
properly. When we were out there, it was
a lot of snow cover and it’s in the winter, so it’s hard to tell if it has a
really good standing grass. I would say
just the controlled access and taking this water straight to that concrete
flume area, it’s going to be a remarkable improvement over anything they’ve
experienced.
MAYOR PRO TEM RUDI: Thank you.
MAYOR BEER: Is there anyone else on Council
that might have questions?
COUNCILMAN SMITH: Mayor Beer.
MAYOR BEER: Councilman Smith.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: I just want to clarify that
you, I believe, stated, or attempted to state unequivocally, that you’re
willing to agree to the fact there will be no more than 1 drive-thru eating
establishment on this property. Is that
correct?
MR. MCAFEE: That is absolutely correct.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: And by approval process, by
deed restriction, whatever it takes to tie it down to the greatest plan, we
can?
MR. MCAFEE: Yes. Actually, you have the leverage in the
traffic study if there’s any revision to this plan that doesn’t meet that
traffic study criteria, MODOT will not accept it, nor would the City of
Gladstone. Yes, unequivocally, that is
where we’re at.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: Thanks.
MAYOR BEER: Okay. Thank you, Mr. McAfee. Okay.
MR. CANTRELL: Mr. Mayor, Council. My name is Steve Cantrell. I’m with the architectural group of Stephen
Jay Cantrell & Associates, 6002 Northwest Highway 9, Suite B, Parkville,
Missouri. I’m here just to give you a brief
overview of what Scott has termed as retail buildings, which are the furthest
buildings on the west represented by the 2 rectangular shapes that you see on
the left of the plan and also represented in elevation view over here to the
right. As you can see, there are 2
footprints. One being 11,640 square
feet, that’s the building that’s, of the larger of the 2, obviously, that’s
running east and west and another footprint that is 9,240 square feet that runs
north and south and has one step in it, in regards to following the topography
that occurs with the site plan as we now have it. Both of these buildings are to be entered
from the front, from the parking lot side only.
They will have a pedestrian service walkway to the rear that will have
access to a single door, with a single down elimination, so that deliveries,
and various other functions that are necessary for a retail center, can go
through the rear door and go through the front door. The buildings are essentially of 3
materials. Actually, 4 with some
highlights. Primarily, they’re a stucco
plaster facade that has stratification in it to form some scale to the surface,
by that I mean grouping, that has a podium of brick on recessed store fronts,
the store fronts being of aluminum. I’m
sure we’re all familiar with that. That
is colorized to match the remaining metal that is on the buildings. As you can see, there’s, in both cases, 2
masses at the end that are of standing single type roofing, so we’re
coordinating all of our metals together. They are flat roof buildings with the intent
to use some mechanical on the roof and have at least a 30-inch parapet wall and
in some cases more than a 30-inch parapet wall.
As you can see on the front, it undulates it with the site on the
east/west, oh excuse me, on the north/south building and then with a physical
change on the east/west building. Our
intentions are to screen all the mechanical equipment on the roof, so that it
can be obscured from the neighbors. In
regards to, the intent is to carry the materials on all 4 sides, along with the
brick inlay or the brick podium to carry it to the back to have a little more
sensitivity to the scale of the building.
The highest point of the building is the peak of the roofs on the two
ends, and that’s 22 feet. Primarily, not
in all cases, but the average height of the parapet wall is 16 feet with the
store fronts being with 10 feet, so it’s very typical to the scale that you
would see of a retail center that we’re all familiar within the Northland. Signage, as you can see, there’s uniform
signage panels on all store fronts. Our
intention is the signage to be self-contained illumination. One of the, what they call a can, internally
lit sign all of uniform characteristic.
I believe that a good overview of what our intentions are. I would certainly be happy to answer any
questions relative to the physical dimensions or the natural aesthetics of the
building.
MAYOR BEER: Council.
COUNCILMAN EVANS: Mayor Beer.
MAYOR BEER: Councilman Evans.
COUNCILMAN EVANS: With regard to the signage
on the property, what about signage to the rear? Is there going to be any signage on the back
side of, allowed on the back side of these buildings?
MR. CANTRELL: It’s not our intent to having
illuminated signage, in fact, we’re trying to decrease the illumination on the
rear and it will be basically task oriented wherever it’s necessarily
functionally. There probably will be
some sign identification on the door, itself, that will lead to that particular
space, but it would not be illuminated.
COUNCILMAN EVANS: That’s all. Thank you.
MAYOR PRO TEM RUDI: Mayor Beer.
MAYOR BEER: Mayor Pro Tem.
MAYOR PRO TEM RUDI: The rear, it’s going to
have the same materials and colors and everything all the way around. Will there be only doors back there, no
windows?
MR. CANTRELL: Yes, ma’am.
MAYOR PRO TEM RUDI: Thank you.
MR. CANTRELL: One pedestrian door per unit.
MAYOR BEER: Mr. Cantrell, you had made
mention of a pedestrian sidewalk to the rear and I believe that that was a
similar situation, as I read in the previous, or the January 3rd
Planning Commission Meeting Minutes, one of the issues that comes to my mind
would have to do with fire safety and access.
Is there, are we looking at an area here that would permit emergency
vehicle access?
MR. CANTRELL: No, sir. We’ve worked with the fire department to make
sure our hydrants are in such a location that all parts of the building can be
reached with normal procedures, however, there is a case in the building codes
that requires certain square footages, depending on how the makeup of the
building would be put together, either 2 exits, sometimes 3, depending on what
the particular function is, but in most cases, 2. So that is strictly, it’s an egress. It is for purposes of public welfare, but we
find it, because of the way that we’ve done our hydrant locations, not
necessary to be able to get vehicular traffic of emergency character behind.
MAYOR BEER: Any other questions from Council
at this time?
(Wherein, no questions were posed)
MAYOR BEER: Thank you, Mr. Cantrell. Staff have any additions?
MR. WINGERSON: I would be glad to answer any
questions.
MAYOR BEER: Questions of Staff?
(Wherein no questions were posed)
MAYOR BEER: Okay. At this time, then, we would entertain
comments from the audience, from those who are in favor of this project. If there is anyone in the audience who would
like to speak in favor of the project, please step forward. Name and address for the record, please. And let me also mention that our public
testimony will be limited to 5 minutes per person and that we would ask that
you direct any comments or questions to the Council. What I don’t want to have happen here is to
get into a debate or argument between audience members and our applicants.
MR. HALL: Mayor and members of the City
Council, thank you for the opportunity to be able to speak here this
evening. My name is Pete Hall. I live at 5621 Clinton Place, Gladstone. I would like to begin by disclosing that I do
work for the owner of the property that’s being addressed here this evening,
but I have no financial interest or will not receive any direct financial
benefit from the sale of the property, no fees, or commissions, or bonuses and
I will be speaking to you this evening as a citizen of Gladstone. For over 30 years, well over 30 years I might
add, I have taken a very active role in this City and in this community. I’ve always worked for and supported those
matters that have the greatest positive impact of the majority of those that
call Gladstone home. Today is no
exception to that principal. This
evening you will hear comments from several people. I’ll submit to you that for most people,
change is very difficult to accept. And
those closest to this project, it is also a very emotional issue. I have a great deal of respect for the
majority of these people. They have lots
and nicely maintained area, green area, that is just beyond their
backyard. Yes, it’s a very emotional
issue indeed, and people often say things that are more perception than fact
when it comes to these types of circumstances.
Personally, if I felt very strongly about having green area around my
home, I would purchase enough property in order to maintain the type of green
area that I want. The project has gone
through the established City development process. The developer met with the neighborhood, as
requested and required, to get their input before even submitting the plan to
the City. They met with City Staff to
get their input, as well. Staff
recommended changes for this project have been agreed to by this
developer. Input from the public hearing
process, planning, zoning and site visit, created additional recommended
changes, which have also been agreed to by the developer. This developer has provided all of the
information requested, engineering and architectural detailed drawings. They have agreed to requested public
improvements and they have done everything else required or requested to them
and they have done all of this in a very positive spirited cooperation. They truly have shown they want to be good
neighbors to the residents and provide a service to the entire community. This City, under this Council’s leadership,
has made great inroads into letting people know that we, the City of Gladstone,
support quality development and redevelopment.
It is extremely important to understand that there is a much greater
impact on the community than the 64th and M-1 development. The implications are much greater. If approved, this shopping center will have a
positive financial impact on the City and all its residents. And because of the public improvements, there
will be a much safer pedestrian and vehicular traffic situation for those that
live in the area, but more importantly, it will send a powerful message to the
development community, that Gladstone is what it has said it was, a quality
development and redevelopment opportunity for those developers and businesses
willing to invest in our City. And if
not approved, there will also be a message sent to that same development and
business community that is equally as strong.
The Planning Commission has approved this rezoning and also the site
plan. They have recommended that this
City Council do the same by so submitting it to you for approval. I will close by asking that you look at this
project, and this proposed development, on behalf of the entire community and
not just the few that are emotionally attached to property that belongs to
someone else. I will be glad to answer
any question you might have pertaining to your, to the comments that I’ve made
here this evening.
MAYOR BEER: Are there any questions from
Council of Mr. Hall?
(Wherein no questions were posed)
MAYOR BEER: Thank you, Mr. Hall. Before we, before we move into the opposition
testimony, I’m being asked if we can take just a real quick short recess. I’m thinking that maybe we need to, at least
two of us, need a little bit of a break.
Let’s take, let’s recess for, until, yes, 8:40. We will reconvene at 8:40.
(Off the record)
MAYOR BEER: Okay. Let’s see if we can’t get this started right
on time. I just, I was a little bit
presumptive that Mr. Hall was the only proponent of this project, so before we
move onto the opposition, I suppose I ought to ask for any others in the
audience who may be in favor of this project?
(Wherein there was no response)
MAYOR BEER: Okay. With that in mind, then, we would now go into
the opposition testimony phase. And
before we begin with that, I just would like to remind you that we would like
you to confine your, or to limit your comments to 5 minutes and that also we
would like to remind you that please, if you have questions that you have in
your mind, that you direct the questions to the Council table and that Staff
will be taking notes and we will give the, we will give opportunity, then, for
Staff to respond. If we need
clarification to respond from the developer, we’ll ask at that time, as
well. With that, is there anyone in the
audience in opposition to this project?
If there is, would you please come forward and state your name and
address for the record, please?
MR. OHSIEK: Mr. Mayor and members of the City
Council. My name is David Ohsiek. I’m a resident of 6501 North Wabash. My property borders on the northeast corner
of the proposed entire plaza development and I have a few objections I’d like
to express to you tonight that I would like for you to consider before you
approve this development. I have 2 major
reasons why I think this development is incompatible with the City of
Gladstone. First of all, we have a
residential area on 3 sides of this proposed development. A part of this residential area is a middle
school, that’s just up the street on 64th Street, just west of the
proposed development. This kind of
shopping center will cause heavier traffic on 64th Street and at the
intersection of North Prospect. This
will be an increased hazard to the children who are walking to and from middle
school and who are riding buses to and from the middle school. There was a little girl that got up and testified
in January that she was hit by a car, I think in the last year, at the
intersection of North Prospect and 64th Street. I heard for the first time tonight that the
entire plaza is not planning to have a fast food restaurant in this
development. Up until tonight, all I
have heard was that they were expecting to have 2 fast food restaurants. I cannot imagine having a fast food
restaurant without very large illuminated signs and multicolored neon signs
that everyone can see for a couple of blocks away at night. We certainly wouldn’t want that kind of
lighting in a residential area. They would be very visible. This kind of a development will devaluate our
property. There’s a local real estate
appraiser who advised us, his name is Noble Johnson, and he says you could
expect an immediate 10 percent devaluation in our property if this type of
development is built. A member of the
Planning Commission, a week ago, said that he had a friend whose house was
located next to a retail development and he had experienced 12-1/2 percent
increase in his property value over the last 5 years. The normal appreciation rate in the middle
west, I understand, is 5 percent a year.
And at that rate in depreciation, this individual’s property should be
27-1/2 percent more valuable than it was in the year 2000. And it’s only, he’s been told it’s only
12-1/2. Well, that’s less than half the
depreciation he should have expected and we attribute that to the retail
development that’s right next to his property.
The second main reason that I object to this development, and I think
you should consider seriously, is the high potential for it to fail
financially. Since I moved into this
area in 1998, I have seen a continual failure of small businesses in this
entire area. Antioch Center has
continued to lose businesses, the doors have closed. Some of them were leased to new owners that
they also failed. And it’s just
continued to go downhill. There’s a
strip mall at 60th and Antioch that used to have a Bob’s IGA
restaurant, which went out of business.
It’s been taken over by Ace Hardware, which is fine, but it also had 2
restaurants that have failed. There’s an
existing shopping center at 64th and Prospect to the east of the
proposed development. We’ve seen
businesses continue to fail there. The
Hen House is now being replaced by Price Chopper. There is an Oriental, there was an Oriental
restaurant that has gone out of business.
There was a thrift store. There
was a movie theater, and I think he’s gone by the wayside. I don’t think that shopping center has ever
been fully occupied. At Englewood and
North Oak, a very nice shopping center and development went up there over the
past several years and businesses have failed there. I understand some of the space at Metro North
on Barry Road has never been, has never been completely filled. There are vacant spaces there because they
just can’t, they can’t, they can’t manage to, they can’t imagine that they will
make a profit. Now, if Tower Plaza
fails, what would you do? Would you
rezone this property to allow different types of businesses to come in? Would you allow an automobile service
station? Would you allow an automobile
repair shop? A bar? An exotic dancing facility? I don’t think we want any of these types of
businesses in our neighborhood. I would
like to conclude by saying, first of all, this property should be rezoned. We would like to see it rezoned for
professional office buildings, we have no objection to that kind of
development, or multiple family housing.
Also, I think if you allow less compatible development, such as the kind
that’s being proposed here now, you’re going to devalue the residential
property around it, you’re going to drive residents away from the area, I think
you’re going to see a decline in the quality of your residential area and with
the loss of people from the area, you’re going to further jeopardize the
existing businesses that you now have.
There’s other comments I’d like to, I think I could make, I don’t think
I have the time, I think I’ve run out of time already, about the storm
drainage, things that I’ve heard mentioned tonight. I probably needed some more information, but
if there’s time and you want to come back and do it later, I would be willing
to. Thank you.
MAYOR BEER: Thank you, Mr. Ohsiek.
MR. LIMPIC: Mayor and City Council
Members. My name is Mark Limpic. I live at 6500 North Wabash, property north
near that one basin. Something was
mentioned at the last Planning Commission Meeting last Tuesday and I want to,
Mr. Ohsiek touched on it, but I want to talk about it again because I think
it’s very important for all of us here, property owners, anyway. And I’m going to read you a little paragraph
from the minutes, the supplement to the Staff report, concerning property
values. It says here, concerns relating
to property values are a matter of perspective.
Some believe that adjacent commercial development is detrimental to
residential property values. Conversely,
some believe this condition is an attribute or neutral to residential property
values. Neither the developer or the
neighborhood has submitted documentation concerning this issue. It is suggested, and this is what pretty much
bothered me a little bit last week, suggested that the Planning Commission not
rely on property values as a major factor in deciding this. So my wife and I went out and contacted an
independent appraiser to give us his assessment of this, a man named Noble
Johnson, I think maybe you’re familiar with him, he’s worked for the City before,
an older gentleman who’s got credentials and qualifications, I think, that make
him very valid. Mr. Johnson is a
designated senior real property appraiser, commercial, a residential member of
the appraisal institute, State certified appraiser, and on and on. He is a qualified expert witness for court
testimony and to the value of real estate in Platte, Clay, Ray, Caldwell, Cass,
Andrew, and so on and so forth counties, the U.S. Federal Court, and before the
Platte County, Liberty and Kansas City Zoning Boards. He’s been a professional independent fee
appraiser since 1959 and actually goes back to 1949 when he first started
taking some of the courses. I’m going to
read you his letter to my wife and I.
And bear with me just to take a few minutes. It says, Dear Mr. & Mrs. Limpic, in
answer to your inquiry regarding effect on value of residential property caused
by changes in Gladstone’s master plan concerning Prospect Place, a subdivision
in the southeast corner of the section, fronting Prospect Avenue and Northeast
64th Street, I will address specific issues. Number 1, pairing of comparable sales of
residential properties have shown that being adjacent to, or backing up to,
commercial properties, have normally a 5 to 10 percent depreciating effect on those
adjacent properties. With a lower
effect, with the least traffic type, such as retail and offices, an increasing
proportionally with increased traffic and longer business hours, it’s kind of
what we’ve been discussing here, of the property such as fast food restaurants
or bars. This is, to a large extent, the
same effect found for homes adjacent to interstate highways and railroads. Number 2, your home currently backs up to
CP-1, commercial planned zoned land, in the parcel planned on the north side of
64th Street between Prospect in the east and north/south ravine in
the west or rear side of the remaining parcel, on the west zoned RC-1
residential. This, of course, has a
depreciating, a depreciation effect on value of your residence, however, changing
in the City’s master plan to a revised master plan, changing zoning of the RC-1
residential portion of this property on the west side through CP-1, will
greatly increase the commercial area, which will have an increasing negative
effect on the value of your land for many reasons, the increased traffic flow,
noise, hours of operations, and so on, we’ve talked about, and a major effect
on the value of the homes backing up to the presently RC-1 residential zoned
land. Further proving his point, and a
fact that City officials are aware of this problem, is that in a normal City
planning, they buffer commercial areas for zoning by a belt of multiple family
zoning or city park. As a mortgage
banker and real estate agent, a real estate and appraiser for many, many years,
I have worked on this problem for many clients ranging from cities, Gladstone
among others, counties, states, to developers, lenders and individuals. Believe me, cities are aware of this problem
and need to address it. You know, I’m
not against, I think I speak, I know, for my wife and we’ve talked about this
and even considered moving. I don’t want
to move. I like Gladstone, but I’ll be
honest with you, I’m not too crazy about, and I would probably bet my next
couple of paychecks, that a fast food restaurant’s going to go back here. I don’t see very well and I don’t hear very
well, but I’ve got a very sensitive nose and I don’t care to smell that stuff
in the middle of the night. And the
traffic, it’s going to be opened until midnight. I am sensitive to that. I’ve got about a 35-foot buffer there and
that’s what’s going to be in my backyard.
We really like it here in Gladstone, but you drive around and you’re starting
to see more and more, I call them undesirable places, but pawn shops, that kind
of stuff, I just don’t know if this is the right thing to do. So that’s my opinion. I have one more issue. Just before I came in here, in your Gladstone
Reporter, it says, the priorities established by Gladstone on the Move, and
that’s what we talked about earlier and you recognized a few folks, one of them
being focusing on neighborhood preservation.
And I’ll leave you with that because I think that’s an important thing
that needs to be said. I appreciate it
very much.
MAYOR BEER: Thank you, Mr. Limpic. Just, if I could just have one second
here. Mr. Wingerson, would you take
this, copy this, please?
MR. WINGERSON: Sure. Thank you.
MAYOR BEER: Thank you. Okay.
Your turn. I’m sorry to disrupt
your--
MS. LIMPIC: Oh, that’s okay. It’s kind of nerve racking.
MAYOR BEER: Yes. I understand.
I do understand.
MS. LIMPIC: Mayor Beer, Mayor Pro Tem Rudi,
Councilman Mr. Evans, Councilman Dr. Cross and Councilman Mr. Smith. Excuse me if I waiver a little bit. I’m not as articulate as my husband. It’s a hard act to follow. Anyway, thank you for the opportunity to
express my opposition to the development.
My name is Delores Limpic. I live
at 6500 North Wabash. I want to talk to
you about the facts. I know this
emotional and that’s why I’m kind of shaky in my tone, we live directly
adjacent to the property. Adjacent
meaning our backyards back right up to the property, so much so that when they
have some of the drainage from the water, the drain, the channel that they’re
talking about, the control of the channel of water, will be controlled toward
my backyard. Now, they’re saying that
they’re not going to disturb the vegetation because it makes a buffer. In the summer, that’s true, but right now if
you go in my backyard, you can see clear across the street. I can see some of my neighbors on 64th
Street right through my area, so we will have a clear view of the development
there. Is it proper to show you closer
what I’m talking about, the channel that runs into the creek in my backyard? It’s a channel with like wire surrounding
stone that will go in our backyard, so I can just see the backhoe going back
there and I don’t know what that backhoe is going to take while it’s making the
channel. Everything sounds very
nice. I am very impressed with the
developer and her crew of experts. It
sounds like nirvana, until it finally gets in there. I come here not to fight City Hall. City Hall has been, you know, listened to us
before and I feel comfortable coming before all of you. I feel like I’ve known you. I know at one time, Mr. Smith and I sat out
in the rain deciding which one of us is going to leave, until we decide neither
one of us was going to leave, so we left together because we both were campaigning
at that point, so I have a great deal of respect for my City, the Council and
of course my neighbors and friends. I
want to work with you. I have no problem
with the way it’s set up now. Believe
me, if you could build it like it is now, it would be a godsend. A restaurant with the 2 retail shops that Mr.
Wingerson said is the current plan. I
don’t know why Curry didn’t build that.
That’s good. Let’s build it and
let’s be on, let’s get to living again.
I have no problem with that. What
I do have a problem with is the RCH-1 being rezoned. I feel that that is our buffer. With that being residential, it makes the
commercial area, that’s now CP-1, less intense, so we don’t have the intensity
of the retail in an area that is surrounded by homes. You’ve heard it once, you’ve heard it many
times. But all of these people here are
the adjacent properties. All these
people here are the residents, and we all live in this area. We would like something done, so we can keep
living. We’ve raised our children, we
raised our families. We go to work every
morning and therefore some in the evening to pay our taxes to Gladstone. With those taxes, we can improve this
street. The street on 64th
should be improved whether or not this development goes in. Those rumors that we have a tax increase, that
you’re asking for a tax on the November ballot, I’d be more than happy to pay a
little bit more taxes and have a low density commercialism on the corner and
get the money from us, the taxpayers, the citizens, the residents that make up
Gladstone. Without people like us, you
have no city, and I have a few suggestions, and I’ll give those in a
minute. What disturbs me is that I feel
that as residents, we are climbing a hill, you know, the people with the clout
and the money aren’t here. We have come
from here to get up there, not that we have such a great playing field. For example, the, I have a question about the
legal protest. I put a legal protest
before the City Council thinking that it was sufficient enough to vote for the
one on the site plan revision and also on the rezoning. It’s the first time I heard tonight, this
evening, that it’s only going to be valid for the RC-1 zoning change. I’d like to know why that’s that way, because
I thought it was for both. Because it
said, I, the below signatures opposed the site plan and the rezoning of
RCH-1. It’s been an uphill battle trying
to get a hold of people at City Hall.
Not so much Mr. Wingerson, he’s been good about returning my call, but
the, I submitted the site plan, the protest petition and it took a while for
them to make a decision, so much so that I thought, why are you, you know, I’m
always using strategy and I’m a bit suspicious, and I thought why are they
holding on, you know, they’re not giving me a reason. And I said, okay, that’s all right. I started a second one, just in case the
first one wasn’t valid, I have a second one, because I couldn’t wait any longer
to decide whether or not that was going to be valid. When I had my last one, petition with Green
Lantern, they gave me an analysis of the protest area, which showed we had 68,
68.73 percent of the total people signing the petition. This time, I’m not sure, I think I forgot to
write it down, I think Mr. Wingerson said 79 percent, so we’ve gone up in the
people that have signed the petition, because they care about their
neighborhood. They care about where they
live. They care about the school that’s
next door. The right in, the right out
heads all the traffic toward the school.
You’re competing with the school buses.
You’re competing with the parents that are picking up their
children. They’re competing with the
kids that walk with backpacks across the street. You’re competing, you’re bringing all this
traffic into a residential area. I know
that there’s change, but you have to take into consideration where you’re
putting this commercial, commercialism that is now focused on this area right
here. If it was going up against another
commercialism like Wal-Mart or up against Westlake Hardware shopping area, I
can see that, but I think these are special circumstances and it’s very hard
for individuals, such as myself and some of these other folks here, to come up
and speak. Public speaking is very
difficult. I also see that these places
here, Tower Plaza, all these places that are shown, look very pretty and
nice. I don’t see the fast food
place. As a matter of fact, I heard, and
this is at the City Planning Commission, that there were footprints for 2 fast
food restaurants. Councilman Smith said
he had their promise that they will not build 2. Will they take the footprints off of the
plans, so there won’t be 2 restaurants?
And why does it have to be fast food drive-thru? Why can’t it be just a sit down
restaurant? The bank is fine. When we first talked to Mrs. Bonnie Wheeler,
the developer, she told us at a private meeting that it would be an upscale
shopping center. It would be retail
shops, a restaurant and a bank. Because
she works with the City, she has now changed her mind. Every time she gets approval, the intensity
of the development rises. We’re now at
the point where we are not have just a restaurant, but a fast food
restaurant. Not 1 fast food restaurant,
but 2 fast food restaurants. I also
noted from 1 of the Planning Commissioner’s statements at the meeting that they
don’t have a bank. And the bank now,
that they can build a two-story on the bank for turret parking and I thought
it’s just getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
So once they get approval, it’s going to get even bigger than that. We won’t be able to have any say so once it’s
in. What’s my suggestion? Plan what is there now, currently, and we
have a leader, a civic leader, that passed away not too long ago, his name was
Dan Bishop, and he did a lot in the little bit of time that he was here. I was fortunate enough to work with one of
his campaigns when he was running for Council.
What did we do with that part that’s RCH-1? Why don’t we be proud of the City? Why don’t you be proud as a Council
Member? Put a memorial there. Have - you campaigned for taxes. Let’s campaign for a memorial with a
fountain. Dedicate it to Dan
Bishop. Spear some civic leader
spearhead--
MAYOR BEER: Mrs.--
MS. LIMPIC: --a private and local funds
through the government. Get the funding
through the conservation parks and recreation department. Yes?
MAYOR BEER: We’re out of time, Mrs. Limpic,
if I may.
MS. LIMPIC: I didn’t know we had a time
limit.
MAYOR BEER: 5 minutes.
MS. LIMPIC: Oh, I’m sorry. Okay, thank you.
MAYOR BEER: Thank you for your comments.
MR. ROMMEL: No. I'm not Clint Eastwood and this is not the
Academy Award. I'm Ron Rommel from 6501
North Park. And I am not Don Horton or
Mr. Davis and I did not receive a plaque tonight, but I did receive this plaque
this summer, along with 2 other residents whose property borders the part of
this property that is currently zoned residential and I would like them to
stand up, the Bracketts and the Gardners and proudly the plaques that they
have. We were on the 2004 Artland Garden
Tour. We have properties that are
directly or adjacent to the property that is trying to be changed in zoning
from residential to commercial. We also
are honored to have been in this magazine, and this is not a Northland
magazine, this is Kansas City Homes and Gardens Magazine. And you all each have a copy of it up
there. And if you prefer to look through
this, as opposed to listening to me talk, I wouldn't blame you, but if you look
to page 94, that's where the article starts on these properties. Shared paradise, it is called. None of these pictures are anything but our
property. These pictures are not the
property that's going to be rezoned. But
if you look at the bridge and the deck and gazebo on page 97, if you look just
beyond that, what we'll have now in place of the trees, because we don't have
the trees now, of course, because it's winter, is a water detention basin and
the edges of 2 buildings. Okay. I'm also known in other circles as the Ronald
Rommel, D.D.S., I'm a business owner, a dental practice right on Route 1 in
Gladstone. I'm very proud to be a
Gladstonian as a resident and a business man.
29 years in June, I will have been both of those things. Now, what is it about Gladstone, you know,
everybody loves this City. I know you
guys love this City. I love this
City. And I know the people here, or at
least the majority of them, were very happy that we just extended the sales tax
and we just increased a property tax because we feel those things will benefit
the community. We do, in fact, dearly
deeply love this prosperous sleepy bedroom community, but I have a few
questions tonight for my City. First,
why would Gladstone vote in favor of rezoning a residential area, nearly
doubling the size of a commercial development that is separated by only 1 residential
backyard from an existing middle school property and then funnel exiting
traffic directly toward that middle school?
Why would the City of Gladstone today approve a plan that rezones the
residential portion of this property when a few years back, there was a plan
for that area that was to leave it residential and that plan was withdrawn
before it could be defeated by the City, by the Council. Why would Gladstone approve a property, a
plan where a commercial property cuts deeper to the west of Route 1 than any
commercial property has ever cut to the west off of Route 1 in this
community? In fact, you can go all the
way down Route 1 to 210 in North Kansas City and there is no commercial
property that cuts as far to the west as this property will do if you change
the zoning from residential to commercial.
Now, talk about ambushing the neighborhood. That's what I feel is happening here. And why would the City of Gladstone approve
this plan of rezoning the residential portion, magically waving a wand for 2
benefactors, Charles Curry and this developer.
We've been told that the Curry Company is asking too much for this piece
of property to keep the portion zoned residential, remaining residential. Now, I don't know about you guys, but if I
have a Chevy to sell, nobody gives me Cadillac money for it. And if Mr. Curry has a Chevy to sell, the
only way he can get Cadillac money for it is for this City Council to wave the
magic wand and give them Cadillac money for it.
We were told repeatedly about the quality, upscale, commercial space
this developer is planning. So
essentially, 2 drive-thru restaurants, fast food restaurants are footprinted
here. Now, we’ve already heard a promise
there would only be 1. We’ll see what
happens. And if there is only 1 or 2, is
there any way we could get that to match the fast food restaurant that went up
on Route 1, right at Kendallwood Parkway?
The A&W root beer place and the Kentucky Fried Chicken place. Maybe we can get a match, twins or
triplets. Why would Gladstone approve
more quality commercial space when the quality upscale commercial development
on the other side of Route 1 has nearly 20 percent of its store fronts empty.
UNKNOWN: That’s right.
MR. ROMMEL: A Hen House. A high Hen House has been replaced by a Price
Chopper. Now, we have heard some good
news, however, folks. The third largest
space in that development is now going to be leased to a thrift store less than
5 years after this property, 10 million dollars was put into this property to
develop high end quality commercial property.
And not to mention that a half mile down the road, and I know it’s not
in Gladstone, Antioch Shopping Center is dead, and a mile or two the other way,
Metro North is on life support. Now,
Gladstone is widely known and prides itself as being a sleepy bedroom
community. And my bedroom and my wife’s
bedroom and my daughter’s bedroom will approximate the open at 6:00 a.m., close
at 12 midnight, hustle and bustle and noise pollution and light pollution and
sight pollution of a commercial development that cuts deeper to the west in
Gladstone than any existing commercial development does. If this zoning change is approved, you’ll be
giving to those of us bordering this property, an entire new meaning to the
phrase, sleepy bedroom community.
Council Members, would you do this to your families? Then why would you do it to ours? We urge you to wave the magic wand for the
citizens of Gladstone.
MS. UMPHENOUR: My name is Laura
Umphenour. I live at 6513 North
Park. I do not live adjacent to this
property, at all, but when they had brought to me what was going on and what
was happening, Delores’ passion about this, I went out and personally, I hope
you guys saw this, 5 pages of signatures of the people in the North Haven East Division. Did you guys see all that?
MAYOR BEER: Yes. We have that.
MS. UMPHENOUR: Those people are all
voters. I don’t know if anybody’s up for
the new position, but I just want to say that I took my video camcorder and I
went up to Metro North Shopping Center and saw a recycling center that had been
put in the backyards of people that never probably had expected a recycling
center to be put - had you guys seen that recycling center up in Metro
North? It was at Antioch Shopping Center
and then they moved it up to the Metro North, where the movie houses are and
the movie house has now reopened and they asked them to shift it up. Well, they shifted it up in the
backyard. Those kinds of things 20, 30
years down the road is what can happen when new Council people have come in, et
cetera. And so I went up and video taped
that. I also video taped the gentleman
who puts the trash there. And he even,
he said, oh, the people are very unhappy about this, but what can they do. I wanted to know, personally, because I went
and collected all these signatures and I promised these people that I would
also follow up with them, is it public knowledge who of you guys, and on the
Planning and Zoning, who votes for these things, so who is going to be pro and
who is going to be con. Is that going to
be public knowledge, so I can also go to these same people and say, this one
voted this way and so on?
MAYOR BEER: Well, of course, yes.
MS. UMPHENOUR: How about on the Planning and
Zoning, because it was 8 for and 2 against. Can I find out the names of the people who
voted for it?
MAYOR BEER: Uh-huh.
MS. UMPHENOUR: Okay. Okay.
You guys were talking about the in and out thing. I was walking my dogs one night and we had
had a beautiful snowfall, it was one of our largest snowfalls, and I heard this
noise going on and I picked my dogs up and I ran up the hill on the school lawn
and I observed, at night, kids speeding across 64th Street, coming
off a side street, jumping the curb and going into the school yard and doing
donuts in the school yard. I called the
police, you know, and whatever, but in the meantime, they’re just going back
and forth and they’re jumping that curb and they’re going over the school yard. People are going to do what people want to
do. And if people want to go east,
they’re going to go east, then they’re going to jump the curb to go east. Okay.
I just wanted to tell you that.
People do what they want to do. I
also, if you guys decide to put this in, one thing that was talked about was
MODOT could not agree on putting lights so close together at the corner of 64th
Street. There could be no lights at this
one and then we have the fire station with lights. Okay.
Because it is a Missouri Highway or something like that. I would like to know how did the Renaissance,
that new development up there on Missouri Highway, how come their developers
had a lot more pull with MODOT? They got
a light in right there at 80th Street.
MAYOR BEER: That one I think I can
answer. MODOT told them they will have
the lights there.
MS. UMPHENOUR: Okay. And then there’s one at 83rd,
which is real close by. And then there’s
2 in and off of 152. So there’s 4 sets
of lights, boom, boom, boom, boom. And
then, of course, we know why Wal-Mart got some lights in, because Wal-Mart’s
got a lot of pull, but if you guys end up voting this in, I mean, we can hardly
get out of our housing addition the way it is.
We really have a hard time, so I think, you know, you guys ought to
really - if you decide not to listen to the voters of Gladstone, and I hope
that you do listen to the voters of Gladstone who have voted you into office to
represent their desires and their wishes, I hope that it weighs on your
decisions not to approve this development, but to honor what was promised to them
when they purchased their homes.
Originally, it was promised to them that it was R-1. And again, you know, as everything slowly
seeps in, you know, these developers, you see the huge signs around where land
is being taken away from people. Well,
these people were originally promised when they moved in that that was going to
be residential back there, then it went to CP-1, then it went to RCH-1. You know, it just keeps on seeping in and I
know those people didn’t intend on purchasing their homes and developing their
landscaping like Dr. Rommel and then did just to have people to come in to try
to make money. So, thank you for
listening to me.
MAYOR BEER: Thank you.
MS. BRACKETT: Mayor and Council Members,
neighbors and other interested parties.
Thank you for - oh, my name is Jane Brackett. I reside at 2303 Northeast 65th
Terrace in Gladstone. Thank you for
allowing me to express my strong opposition to the rezoning of the western
portion of the subject parcel and to request that you vote a resounding no on
the request for the rezoning. The
applicant for rezoning stated that because of the high price of the subject
property, that she could not make money on the project unless the zoning is
changed from RCH-1 to CP-1. So I echo
Mr. Rommel’s comments on the Chevy and the Cadillac situation. But further to that, if one is willing to pay
a price that is the value of the property is not commensurate with the price
you’re willing to take, could you perhaps question the success of the
development. Are there going to be other
areas where the price you’re willing to pay is not commensurate with the value
that you’re getting. The request for
rezoning and proposed development plan shows total disregard for the rights of
the current owners of adjacent property and owners of property in the general
vicinity of this subject parcel. This
rezoning request asks the Council to approve the devaluation of existing
Gladstone residents’ property for the personal enrichment of an inexperienced
developer with no vested interest in the community. If the developer truly wants to develop the
subject property, there are other options.
Negotiate a better deal with the seller.
Develop the property within the zoning requirements or put more on the
funds, then, to where you can make it work, but do not ask the residents to
take a hit on this property values. It’s
aggregious to ask the residents to take the downside while the developer takes
the upside. And furthermore, while it’s
impossible to quantify with any degree of accuracy the negative impact on the
adjacent property values. We’ve got to
have details of the building design, construction and occupancy. All of these are yet to be determined. It is, however, a fact that putting up
commercial buildings adjacent to residential property does, in deed, have a
negative effect on the residential property values. Residents in these areas take great pride in
their home ownership, which I think is evidenced by the attendance here tonight
and by the 3 properties that are adjacent to this property that were
participants in the 2004 Garden Tour.
The writer, the magazine writer, refers to these 3 properties as shared
paradise. The City Staff has stated their
approval with the restriction. One
restriction’s being the hours of operation from 6:00 a.m. to 12 midnight. So that leaves us from midnight to 6:00 a.m.
to enjoy our shared paradise. It hardly
seems fair. The developer proudly
commented, at a meeting back in, I believe the end of November, that she would
be giving the school children a place to go to lunch. Let me present a quote from the Kansas City
Star, January 4th, 2005 edition.
It’s called fat food. “Kids eat
187 to 379 extra calories every time they chow down on fast food. Translation, 1 drive-thru dinner per week equals
2.8 to 5.6 extra pounds per year.” Thank
you, but no thank you for your concern for our children’s access to fast food
and your contribution to even greater incidents in childhood obesity. Are resident property owners expected to
embrace development of such a parcel for an identified retail in the fast food
businesses. I have heard tonight that we
won’t have 2 drive-thru’s, but, you know, if they’re on the plan, I don’t know
whether that means we’ll have 2 or whether it means we won’t have any, but we,
in the past, we’ve been presented with 2.
At a meeting back in November, we asked the developer about other
developments that she had had and we were told that she had built some houses,
but we were never given any information about a development where we could go
look at the type of work that was done, the type of development. At the Commission Meeting on January 3rd,
it’s revealed that there will be a 1 story bank that can be enlarged to 2
story. Two drive-thru restaurants. Again, that seems to be influx. Translated, that means 2 fast food
places. I submit that fast food
drive-thru and upscale development are mutually exclusive in terms of the
development of this parcel. I oppose to
the request for rezoning for the following reasons. The increased traffic, the increased risk of
injury to our school children, the storm water runoff, looking into the basin
in the back of my yard, increased noise pollution from the operation of
business, offensive odor from the fast food restaurant, rodent infestation from
fast food restaurant waste, devaluation of residential property values and loss
of the quiet enjoyment of one’s personal residence. I employ the City Council Members to
represent the voters you were elected to represent and the City of Gladstone by
voting a resounding no on the request for rezoning the western portion of
subject parcel. Please vote to keep
Gladstone a desired place to live. Thank
you.
MR. VALENCIANO: Good evening, Mayor and City
Council. My name is Jesse Valenciano and
I own a piece of property, pretty much smack dab in the middle of adjacent to
the property there. I’ve got a few
concerns about putting a retail center on this piece of property when every
retail center in Gladstone has vacancies.
The only ones that are fully occupied are professional, not retail
centers, but the buildings that are fully occupied are professional centers,
medical centers, office centers. I would
suggest to you to probably address that issue with the Charles Curry
Company. Make them be a little more
aggressive. Rather than waiting on
someone to come to that would buy the property, go out and find someone that
would put up a financial center, a medical center or an office center. Every center that I’ve just mentioned to you,
in the City of Gladstone, is very well maintained, fully occupied and it’s not
a disgrace to the City. Where there are
a lot of retail centers that are a disgrace and I don’t know if you all have
seen pictures that I’ve submitted, but in the event that you haven’t, I have
some here. And as you look at those, I
would like for you to keep in mind that this is your City. Tattoo shops, pawn shops, title loan places,
cash advance places, I think I counted about probably 10 places that you can
get short term loans at a very high rate.
They don’t like to refer to it as interest, but it’s about the next
thing to a loan shark. And we are
helping people get in the hole with these types of establishments. One other issue that I’m concerned about too
is the credibility into our Planning Commission. And one of the biggest eyesores in Gladstone
is in these pictures and he’s on the Planning Commission. I really have a problem accepting how he
votes. And I just cannot put any
credibility on that, whatsoever. Another
issue I have with the Planning Commission is we have a lot of bobble
heads. They don’t ask questions. There’s only about 3 people on that
Commission that asks questions.
MAYOR BEER: Mr. Valenciano.
MR. VALENCIANO: Yes, sir.
MAYOR BEER: I would hope that you would not continue
with the personal remarks.
MR. VALENCIANO: Okay. Well, it’s a concern to me as a resident of
Gladstone. I mean, I just am concerned
and I would hope that you all would be concerned.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: Mr. Mayor.
MR. VALENCIANO: The reason we--
MAYOR BEER: Councilman Smith.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: Excuse me. I am not concerned with the integrity of any
person that sits on that Planning Commission.
MR. VALENCIANO: You’re not concerned?
COUNCILMAN SMITH: No, I’m not. And I’ve been a part of appointing every
single one of them. Now, Mr. Valenciano,
that, you make very good points and the neighborhood has very good points, but
to attack the Planning Commissioners, it isn’t necessary. It’s not going to help very much.
MR. VALENCIANO: Okay. But I am concerned how they vote. Okay.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: Certainly.
MR. VALENCIANO: I know there’s City codes for
residents and there’s City codes for businesses and I think they should be
upheld. Now, the reason we have a lot of
these vacancies and retail spots in Gladstone is because we have continued to
approve retail centers in Gladstone throughout these years. That’s why we have so many of them now and so
many of them are failing. You take the
Prospect Plaza Center. Stone Canyon
Pizza is closed. The finance company has
moved out. There was a mobile phone
business that moved out. Now, I
understand that Fashion Bug dress shop is moving out. I would think they’re setting someone up for
failure by approving another retail center.
I’m concerned about the way things are going in Gladstone and I can’t
honestly tell you that I could be proud of the way that Gladstone, the North
Oak quarter is looking, the way that Antioch Road is looking. It’s a big concern to me. I love Gladstone and I’ve been in Gladstone
going on 17 years. I’ve been in the
Northland for 45 years and I love it out here, but I just, I would also tell
you I’m not opposed to the development on 64th and North
Prospect. I bought there knowing that it
was going to be developed someday, but the biggest factor involved in my
decision making was the fact that Charles Curry Company owned it. Everything they’ve ever done was a nice
property. They developed it nice and
maintained it well and that’s why I went ahead and bought, but now it’s being
sold and we have no idea what’s really going to go in there. And yes, they say 1 fast food restaurant, but
when push comes to shove, if they can’t rent, they’re going to be here asking
you to rezone it for more fast food restaurants, and that’s all we have now and
they’re all vacant. Very few of them
have been a tremendous success, other than McDonald’s.
MAYOR BEER: Okay. Mr. Valenciano--
MR. VALENCIANO: I would ask that you keep the
community in mind when you vote and keep in mind that this is the last prime piece
of property in Gladstone and I think we should make it a showplace and a
tremendous success for Gladstone that’s going to continue bringing in the tax
dollars for years to come.
MAYOR BEER: Thank you, Mr. Valenciano. Is there anyone else? I would also, as you’re coming forward, I
would just please remind you to refrain from making personal attacks.
MR. CLAYTON: Good evening and thank you for
the opportunity for me to be here this evening to state my opposition along
with these other fine folks. My name is
Tom Clayton and along with my wife, Kelly, we lived at 2501 Northeast 66th
Street. And you all received a letter
that was placed in your packet, that I trust that you’ve had the opportunity to
read, I had thought that I would read it out loud publicly, but I’m not going
to waste my 5 minutes doing that. I
would like to read a couple of paragraphs.
Before I start, though, I would clearly state that neither Kelly nor I
are emotionally attached to this piece of property. We are emotionally attached to our community,
though. Starting in paragraph 3, we,
Kelly and I, would probably be some of the first to welcome an appropriate
development on the northwest corner of Northeast 64th and North
Prospect. That this proposal simply is
not the type of development currently needed in Gladstone nor is it the type of
development this intersection and the surrounding streets and infrastructure
can accommodate. The lack of a left turn
lane on North Prospect, Northeast 64th, currently makes access to
and from our home thus tricky and occasionally terrifying. And I’m not exaggerating there one bit. This proposed development will only compound
traffic congestion for us, our neighbors, and numerous other residents that use
Northeast 66th Street as access to and from North Prospect. The developers have indicated that they are
planning for 2 drive-thru eating establishments, and like others, I will
retract that to 1, maybe more, who knows.
Within a very short distance of this intersection, there are at least 5
other fast food drive-thru establishments, not to mention at least the same
number of sit down eating establishments.
And this does not include eating outlets in nearby grocery stores,
convenient stores, bars and Wal-Mart.
Plus, there are at least 2 eating establishments that have shut down
within about 3 blocks of this intersection.
Additionally, the developers are proposing a bank with drive-thru
facilities. Within a short distance of
this intersection, North Antioch and Prospect is amply served by at least 6
other banking facilities, plus ATM’s at various other locations. Further, it is our understanding that the
proposed development includes a number of store fronts to be housed by, as yet,
unnamed tenants. There are already store
fronts aplenty within a very short distance of this intersection and some are
currently unoccupied. With this in mind,
we feel confident in saying that what the developers are proposing is nothing
new, unique or even needed by the City, and more we already have plenty
of. It’s not likely to attract
additional, for any nonresidents to come into our City to shop and dine. Mayor, Council, what this proposed up here,
again, as others have said, it looks nice, but we’ve got it. We’ve got lots of it, plenty of it up and
down North Antioch and Prospect and North Oak and just beyond our City
limits. More of what we’ve already got
is a hoping game. We’ve also got a
number of commercial properties within our City limits that for the last
several years have gone begging for redevelopment, and in some cases,
demolition. The resources, time and
energy proposed for this would be much better served, not just for the
developer, but for our entire City, by redeveloping some of the stuff that
we’ve already got, not development simply for the sake of development. With that said, I will just close by
respectively asking that each of you vote against this proposed rezoning and
development. Thanks.
MAYOR BEER: Thank you, Mr. Clayton. Before I ask for any further comments, let me
just make note, if I may. We have a
significant amount of concern regarding storm water and we have significant
amount of concern regarding traffic counts and traffic congestion, primarily,
internally and on 64th Street.
We have concerns about light pollution, other forms of traffic safety
and there’s also some concern regarding a perceived high rate of business
failures in Gladstone, retail business failures in Gladstone. What I would ask, before we have any further
comment, that we have heard a significant amount of these concerns and if you
have, if there’s anyone who has new concerns, we would be really happy to hear
those things, but I don’t think we’re, I don’t think anyone’s interests right
now are being served by a repetition of the same concerns. With that in mind, I still would entertain
further opposition, but I still would ask that that opposition be confined to
new concerns, please.
MR. MARTIN: My name is Paul Martin and I live
at 2503 Northeast 64th. Now,
you’ve heard a lot of comments from people whose backyards back up to this, but
I am in the front yard. I’m directly
across the street, and what I’m concerned about, more concerned about than you
realized, is the traffic and the children that go up and down that street. I don’t think there’s anybody here that can
be more closely concerned about the children that are going up and down the
street than I am, because I live right there and I see them. Now, you gentleman make up your mind about
what you’re going to do, but you should remember that Antioch School up there
and those kids, when they come down that street. And the traffic is terrible now certain times
of the hour of the day. It’s going to be
horrendous later on if you put this thing through. Like the gentleman said earlier, this is the
last prime piece of property and it certainly would be, in my opinion, and I
think most everybody else’s, used to a better end than what this is right
here. Thank you.
MS. MACKEN: Good evening. My name is Amy Macken. I live at 6507 North Olive. My place of residence does back up into this
proposed zoning change. We are adjacent
to the property. There’s a newspaper
article in the Kansas City Star, December 5th, 2004, and the
newspaper article reads, it’s about walkers in Kansas City. And Kansas City area is ranked the 15th
most dangerous area for pedestrians. On
January, or excuse me, on September 6, 2004, my daughter would be here in
behalf of speaking on behalf of herself, but she’s sick this evening, so I
decided to take her place, but on September 6th, she was a statistic
in this most dangerous for pedestrians.
She was hit on Antioch by a car taking a right-hand turn off of North
Bales. This site plan proposes a right
hand turn only. And what happens when
people pull out to the right when you’re going toward the school and toward
pedestrians walking if they look to the left to see if cars are coming and when
they see that there’s no traffic coming, like the girl that hit my daughter,
will pull out and take their right. And
that’s exactly what happened and I think that will propose a big danger to the
kids walking from the middle school and even the grade school. I mean, nobody’s mentioned Meadowbrook. Meadowbrook has children that are 5th
grade, you know, starting at 8 years old, they can walk home by
themselves. I think that a retail area
would also be a distraction for these kids.
I don’t think that, you know, some of these walkers instead of going
straight home, you know, this is going to be a big distraction for them, and I
just don’t think it’s in the best interest of this community. I have two concerns about the rezoning from
RCH-1 to CP-1. And the biggest one is,
well, my two concerns and I think they, being a mom of 3 children and 2 of them
go to either Antioch or Meadowbrook, my two concerns are, and they lay equally,
as far as I’m concerned, is the decreased property value that this CP-1
rezoning will put on our residence.
You’re considering a rezoning and a development against the wishes of the
community that put you in office. And
I’m saddened by the choice and the possibility of this rezoning. My husband and I, when we bought our piece of
property, we trusted the City of Gladstone and we did look at the master plan
and saw that this was RCH-1 and CP-1 and we trusted the Gladstone City Council
that that would remain that way. The
second concern that I have is the increased risk to our children. I have a 5 year old who, in 3 years, will be
walking home from school from Meadowbrook school. And it just scares me to think that he could
be walking through this property with this rezoning and these commercial
properties. Thank you.
MAYOR BEER: Thank you, Ms. Macken.
MR. WEICKERT: I’m Jim Weickert from 2515
Northeast 66th. My property
does not back up to any of this, but I will say this on behalf of the people
that is there, that when I had bought my lot before building the house, it was
a 2-lane road, Missouri 1 was. And then
it came through and was 4 lane and went to 72nd Street. When the
taxes came in and I had an appraisal and the appraisal was a lot less than what
the county charged me in taxes because of the high traffic area. And so it’s a fact they reduced my taxes
after having to have gone to Liberty.
Then it went from 72nd on up to 152 and I got my tax bill and
I had an appraiser again appraise my house and he said, well, you know, there’s
more traffic now, so we got to them so they will have your appeals up there and
reduce some taxes. So my concern is,
when you do take this buffer zone, that portion over to it, and I do think
these people will suffer on their property values because I did as I watched
the 2 lane go to 4 lane, then go 4 lane even further north on that. The other thing too, though, that was not
addressed by the developer here, I think when I cross the street and up 1 block
on Northeast 66th Street and the fire department and ambulance
service is there. They’re very
courteous. I’ve talked to them at the
Gladfest, and I think Mr. King I’ve talked to.
And they don’t blow their sirens unless necessary from like 11:00 until
5:00 in the morning or so. I get a good
night’s sleep. But they did put in a
plan that those ambulances and the fire trucks hook up to their exhaust, so
they can leave them running over there, which there’s no bother, except when
they go flying out the door and it jerks off and there’s some kind of a
sensor. It probably is in that
building. I don’t know. But, there is a very high shrilled fan, that
I went around behind that fire station, that is sitting up there and when that
thing kicks in at 2:00 in morning, that takes you out of bed. So something that the developer hadn’t
thought of and I was thinking, if you put this over to the west and rezone
that, put air conditioners, which he said they were going to put them on there,
hide them behind some kind of a facade, so they didn’t show, but what those air
conditioners, heaters, or whatever sound like when it goes to those people’s
bedrooms at 35 foot away from it, because I know that the back of the fire
station across, the ambulances, the fire trucks wake me up because they’ve got
big motors, but what does keep me awake is the last 10 minutes that that thing
runs until it clears the smoke out of that firehouse over there and it
automatically shuts off. And I think,
I’m not a, you know, I’m not approving that, but that is a factor about noise
pollution that we haven’t talked about.
We’ve talked about all the light pollution. Thank you for your time.
MAYOR BEER: The last person who spoke. Would you state your name again, please? What was your name, please?
MR. WEICKERT: Jim Weickert.
MAYOR BEER: Weickert.
MR. WEICKERT: Yes, sir.
MAYOR BEER: Okay. Thank you.
Thank you very much, Mr. Weickert.
Is there any other opposition to come before the Council?
(Wherein there was no response)
MAYOR BEER: Let’s see. I guess maybe we probably need to have some
questions answered here. And Mr.
Wingerson, could you address those questions?
MR. WINGERSON: Thank you very much. This Council is certainly familiar with all
of the information tonight. I think I
took pretty good notes and I would like to just talk about a few quick
things. Delores Limpic, Ms. Limpic,
raised the question on a legal protest petition on the zoning and the site plan
and why, and on the sub-part to that was why does it take so long to make that
decision. The legal protest petition
applies to cases where an amendment or a revision to the zoning coordinates it
is in effect. So in this case, the zoning
change is what amends or revises the zoning coordinates by changing the zoning
district, if you were inclined to do that.
The site plan, on the other hand, is just a general development
tool. Certainly the petition holds
weight, as the petition from Ms. Umphenour holds weight, as it gages
neighborhood perspective and neighborhood opinion, but in terms of the protest
petition, it applies to the zoning change specifically. So, I’ll apologize to Ms. Limpic for not
making that more clear in the numerous discussions we had about the protest petition. Ms. Umphenour asked about the traffic signal
basically at the driveway from the proposed development and Prospect Plaza and
whether or not that would be appropriate.
I am certainly not an expert on Department of Transportation policies
and requirements as it relates to a traffic signal, but I’m relatively sure
that 300 feet is much to close to allow traffic signals back to back that close
together at 64th Street, then the development. The next traffic signal to the north, of
course, is the fire station. It’s only
in use when necessary to allow the emergency vehicles to exit, so that would
enter into it. And then finally, the
last speaker, Mr. Weickert, I believe, talked about the fan at Station 2 and
we’ll look at that this week and see if there’s anything that can be done about
that. I would be glad to answer any of
your questions if you have anything you want to talk about.
MS. LIMPIC: Since he addressed one of my
questions, can I ask, can the fire station light be changed to a
stoplight? I mean, there’s 1 stoplight
at 80th and 1 at 83rd.
That’s only 2 blocks away from the center.
MAYOR BEER: I’m not sure that either of us
can answer that question right at this time, but I would say likely that MODOT
probably would not permit that.
MR. WINGERSON: We’ll certainly check, and
that was for the record, Ms. Umphenour asking about the traffic signal at
Station 2 and whether or not that could be a functioning traffic signal.
MAYOR BEER: But as a general rule, any of the
traffic lights that are placed on Antioch, Prospect and 1 are all subject to
MODOT rules and regulations. And all we
can do is make requests. MODOT makes the
determination. As an example, I would
like to use just as a personal example, I walk every morning and I cross M-1 at
73rd Terrace, the light that’s at Wal-Mart just north of 72nd
Street. That also is a light that was
mandated by MODOT. I, as I started to
mention, though, as I walk, I cross M-1.
The M-1 light is so short, when it does activate east and west, that I’m
only able to walk halfway across the road and it begins changing again. And I have asked a number of times that that
light sequencing be changed and to no avail.
UNKNOWN: Just take up jogging instead of
walking.
MAYOR BEER: Sometimes, I do. So I’m not trying to pass off our
responsibilities here, but there are just some things that are outside of our
control and that’s one of them. There
were, let me find all my notes again.
While I’m looking for my notes, Mr. Smith, I believe, had some
questions.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: Sure. First of all, and I kind of what to apologize
to you, Jesse, I probably just lost a good lunch customer today, but our
Planning Commissioners, you know, we get paid the big bucks, we get paid a
hundred bucks a year, but they work for free, so they really do volunteer their
time and I think they do the best that they can, so I apologize a little bit
for getting agitated with that.
MR. VALENCIANO: No problem.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: Mr. Wingerson, has there
been a traffic study performed on this and who performed it?
MR. WINGERSON: Yes, sir. And if it’s okay with you, I would like the
project engineer to address the who’s and what’s.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: That would be great because
the follow-up question to that is more importantly did it address the potential
impact on 64th Street, especially with the admit of the right out
only.
MR. MCAFEE: Yes. Our traffic study was completed by members of
our Staff. We’re submitting to MODOT for
a consensual approval. Basically, we did
not have the initial layout that we put together for this project. Did not have a right in, right out on the
westernmost 64th Street intersection and then on the
easternmost. When that was staffed, they
had some concern over trying to get the traffic coming out southbound or coming
out the northeast bound, closer to that intersection, so we met with Steve
Holiday with MODOT and basically changes were prompted to make the right in,
right out to the west, turn to the west.
As far as funneling traffic to the school, the 2 entrances along the 64th
Street, since the western intersection was going to move you to the west, has
very little use in the traffic study. We
go through a trip generation and it doesn’t really matter whether there’s a -
we basically look at where people are heading in the main for, in the main
thoroughfare layout of your City. And
basically, what we found through the traffic study, that was approved by MODOT,
is people that are going to go north out of this development are going to use
the easternmost 64th Street intersection, so they can have a signal to
allow them to go north. People that are
going to go south out of this intersection on Missouri 1, are going to go ahead
and use that Prospect intersection because that can give them easy right out
and basically head south. People that
are going to go west are going to use that right in, right out. Nobody else is looking to use that
westernmost intersection, because if they’re not going west, there’s an easier
route for them to get north and south and east.
Does that make sense?
COUNCILMAN SMITH: It does. At one time, you all, and we’ve talked a
little about improvements and, perhaps, a decel lane and a left turn northbound
lane on M-1. Whether it be you or Scott,
how would that be determined?
MR. MCAFEE: Okay. MODOT has what I’ve mentioned that they have
given us a consensual approval. They
have reviewed our traffic study and they have identified improvements that they
need to see for them to accept our traffic study for them to approve it. And they were an accel and a decel lane at
the entrance out onto Missouri 1.
Although they do not control the right of way as far back as the western
entrance on 64th Street, they still get to have some say about how
you improve it. So basically, the
improvements they requested were an accel/decel lane on Missouri 1. If you’re heading southbound, they wanted
that acceleration lane to be continued and tied right into an existing right
turn lane at the intersection. They
asked us to continue, actually Staff, not MODOT, but the Staff, City
Staff. Mr. Wingerson and Public Works
asked that that lane be continued around 64th to create another lane
of traffic coming around and going westbound.
And that would serve as deceleration lane if you were pulling into the
easternmost intersection.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: Okay.
MR. MCAFEE: The other improvements, the only
other improvements that MODOT required, they told us they would agree and
confirm that leaving the median on Missouri 1 was acceptable to allow left
turning traffic to come into this development on the Missouri 1 entrance and
that they would gage it over the next couple of years and that, and they made
the developer very aware that if it does become an issue, then the developer
would be responsible to extend the median to where left turning vehicles coming
in that eastern intersection could not use it.
But for right now, they’re comfortable with it.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: And Mr. Wingerson, would
that be something that we could, perhaps, require an escrow for, so that we’re
assured that if that has to be done, there’s money to pay for it?
MR. WINGERSON: Yes, sir. We can certainly request an escrow for
that. What sort of Staff envisions is to
work in cooperation with the developer and her representatives, our Staff and
the MODOT Staff to solve that problem today, and in conjunction with this
development, to ensure that MODOT doesn’t come back later and say you have to
do something different. Our goal would
be to solve it concurrently with this developer and that’s the subject of the
development agreement to determine what that solution is and then implement it.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: I like that. I like that better. And how do we, and I understand that there’s
a site plan issue here and, you know, we can take that up with the site plan
because, quite frankly, I cannot support the site plan if it has anything that
looks like multiple fast food. So how do
we, though, assure that? What is the
residents’ guarantee, if you will, that that, and I understand your analogy and
explanation of the traffic study and MODOT and everything else, but how can we
do one step better than that?
MR. WINGERSON: Well, I think, I think the
traffic study that’s been talked about provides you with the documentation, if
you will, necessary to make a condition.
So in other words, if the Council was inclined to make a condition
limiting the number of drive-thru restaurants to 1, then you make that as a
condition to the ordinance in your approval process and I think there’s a great
degree of assurance that ordinance didn’t support it by the traffic study. So that’s really pretty solid.
MAYOR BEER: With regards, if I may interrupt
here for just a moment, with regards to the traffic study, I’m not trying to
sound like I’m impugning the developer or his, or his traffic study, however,
by not having an independent traffic study, it kind of puts a little bit of a
cloud on the possibility of just how independent this traffic study could be,
so I think it’s something that I would like to see considered very, very
strongly, is that a traffic study be conducted by an independent, on an
independent effort. Yes, Mr. McAfee.
MR. MCAFEE: In the terms of the uses on the 3
lots located on the eastern side of this, this came out of the Planning
Commission and it was asked, it was asked of me why did I show drive-thru’s on
each one of those facilities. The bank
is a given and we were looking at that use in that area. We do not have a bank. The developer does not have current client
set up to come in, but when we submitted our traffic study to MODOT, a fast
food restaurant is one of the highest peaking traffic situations in any traffic
study in a trip generation lot. And I
mentioned at the Planning Commission that we’re looking at these as 3
commercial lots. Any use for C-1 is what
would be used in there. Now, whether
that be a financial institution, whether that be a restaurant, whether that be
another retail use, but what I mentioned is if I submitted a traffic study to
MODOT that did not include one fast food situation, then they would have
thought I wasn’t being conservative enough.
Now, in terms of the traffic study that we submitted, we followed the
guidelines, but I certainly don’t-
COUNCILMAN SMITH: So in effect, you used the
worst case scenario.
MR. MCAFEE: You bet.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: Okay.
MAYOR BEER: And in terms of providing data to
MODOT for purpose of traffic study, I can understand that, however, I’m a
little bit here inclined to agree with Councilman Smith in regards to support
of the project as it’s presented to us with, on the site plan, a couple of
pretty high intensity projects that we would have no control, so long as a
project were to come along and fit that plan, that footprint, we would have no
control, other than to permit a building permit to be constructed, to go
through. I would be, from my standpoint,
much more amenable to moving forward with this thing in that regard, if there
were, if the proposals brought to us were less intense and if a project came
along that required greater intensity, that that project would have to come
back to the City in the form of a public hearing and the same public process
we’re doing right now.
MR. MCAFEE: It is our understanding that
there would be a Staff review of a pad site.
I look at this as 3 pads sites.
As long as they fit into that C-1 commercial zoning, then they become
like a Staff review for what goes there.
MAYOR BEER: As a planned project.
MR. MCAFEE: I understand. Is it worth at least considering to strike
the internal building that you see laid out for lots 1 and lots 3. We don’t have the people to use it. We don’t have those clients set up. What this plan was trying to dictate is, this
is the internal drive system that feeds these 3 lots. This is the internal storm drainage system
that makes these 3 lots buildable. We
did not intend to come to this Council with the fact that the building that
goes on lot 1, will be built exactly in the shape that it’s built and have a
drive-thru, but it will meet the-
MAYOR BEER: That’s the purpose, basically, of
a planned zoning that any significant deviation from that finding would require
the public hearing process again.
MR. MCAFEE: The planned district that we
followed for the City of Gladstone did not ask us to dictate what use would go
on each one of those lots and we were following your regulations.
MAYOR BEER: Okay. Yes. I
understand what you’re saying there.
Mayor Pro Tem Rudi, do you have a question?
MR. MCAFEE: We would certainly remove
anything to do with drive-thru lanes on lot 3 if it’s useful.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: If I may.
MAYOR BEER: Councilman Smith.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: I understand that the
neighbors’ concerns, you know, the concept of a sit down restaurant is not
new. In fact, in a survey that we did
with our citizens a few years ago, that came back as the number one amenity
that we’re lacking in the City. I’d say
that the Curry Company has, and I know in our own Economic Development
Department, we have tried to secure sit down restaurants, and what we’re told,
in essence, is that there’s not the lunch crowd. In other words, if you look around, there’s
not the office complexes that would support a restaurant, other than about a
shift and a half in the evenings. And
let me tell you, we’ve tried because, you know, we all eat too, but we just
have not been able to secure anything.
So I think we would all like that, I just don’t know that it’s
available, available yet. Mr. Wingerson,
could you tell me or Councilman Ramsay, read off for us what is allowed in a
C-1 zone in ordinances, please?
MR. WINGERSON: Any use permitted in a CO,
commercial office, zoning district professional offices not included in a
commercial office, banks and savings and loans, barber and beauty shops,
optical shops, seamstress and tailoring, interior decorating, photographer,
shoe repair, post offices, utility offices, schools, shops and stores for the
retail sale of notions, gifts, novelty, jewelry, prime material, flowers,
tobacco, photograph equipment, artist and hobby supplies and music supplies,
shops and stores for the retail sale of food and beverages, consumption of soft
goods, such as clothing and shoes, drugs and cosmetics, furniture and
appliances, hardware and paint, kitchenware, toys, sporting goods and antiques,
eating establishment, dry cleaning, laundry and businesses providing drive-up
window service, bakeries, donut shops--
MAYOR BEER: Mr. Wingerson, clarification of
businesses that have drive-up windows, example?
MR. WINGERSON: Drive-thru restaurant.
MAYOR BEER: Okay.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: Are alcohol sales allowed
in C-1?
MR. WINGERSON: Yes, subject to appropriate
licenses and--
COUNCILMAN SMITH: Right. Okay.
Possibly last, but not least.
First of all, I guess I would like a response from the developer on the
6:00 a.m. to midnight usage. Is that a
must do? Can that midnight be scaled
back to an 11:00 use, perhaps?
MS. WHEELER: I don’t think so.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: And Mr. Wingerson, what can
we do to mitigate the noise from the rooftop HVAC, other than the screening?
MR. WINGERSON: The screening is the main
thing. The other factor is kind of a vertical
position of those in relation to the adjoining uses. This particular site is fine compared to the
north and to the west and high when compared to the south in a general
rule. Theoretically, the noise would be
less because we would be up above most of the homes. However, we can sure look at it.
UNKNOWN: --above my home.
UNKNOWN: That’s not, that’s not--
MR. WINGERSON: No noise from baffling that
meets the strategies.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: Okay. That’s all I have at this point.
MAYOR BEER: Are there any other questions
from Council? Mayor Pro Tem Rudi.
MAYOR PRO TEM RUDI: Mr. Wingerson or Mr.
McAfee, either one, reading this diagram was kind of hard because it’s kind of
small. Could you tell me, is there any
area where the 35 foot setback is not adhered to?
MR. MCAFEE: The 35 foot setback is all along
the north boundary, all along the west boundary, along the south boundary until
you reach the first intersection and then, I’m sorry, the second intersection
and then basically from that southeast, from the easternmost drive that comes
out onto 64th Street, around along Prospect, we were, we requested
and we were placed on the plans a reduced setback next to the highways for a
parking lot. Nothing to do with any
building. The building still adheres to
those setbacks, but for parking only, and I believe they were reduced to 25
feet. That’s the notes from the Planning
Commission. 15 foot parking setback
along Prospect Avenue, 20 foot parking setback along 64th Street
from the eastern entrance to towards Prospect.
MAYOR BEER: One of the issues that’s been
raised a number of times was noise abatement and buffering. When the deciduous trees are in full leave,
of course, they offer some buffering from light pollution and noise pollution. Of course, this time of the year, they don’t,
or exceptionally a small amount. I
believe I, if I read correctly, that there was mention by one of the
developer’s representatives in the January Planning Commission Meeting about
enhancing that buffering with deciduous, or not deciduous, but evergreen
trees. Has that still--
MR. MCAFEE: Yeah. Mr. Oppermann, who couldn’t be here tonight,
is a landscape architect. And basically
we left a green space of approximately 10 feet between the retaining wall and
the current line of the lot 1 to the northeast.
And we mentioned at the site meeting, and I thought it was already a
part of the record, that the developer would be placing coniferous trees, or
pine trees, some type of evergreen tree, along that boundary to assist in the
screening, because that was brought up at the site meeting that we were there.
MAYOR BEER: I wasn’t there and the, my
comment came from what I thought I had read in the minutes.
MR. MCAFEE: That should have been shown in
the revised landscape plan that we submitted to Staff.
MAYOR BEER: Okay. And as I recall, there was some discussion as
to 2 inch caliper versus 4 inch caliper.
MR. MCAFEE: The 2 inch versus 4 inch caliper
was actually on the other shrubbery or the trees that were inferior and Mr.
Oppermann’s only contention was that it was his professional opinion, who did
this, doing this type of work for 25 years is that a 4-inch caliper root ball
tended to die versus a 2-inch caliper.
And his suggestion was to maybe increase, or ask the developer to go ahead
and increase plantings to where for the same money that was being spent on 4
inch calipers, you can actually get a more live brushes and trees 5 years down
the road. But we were really conceding
to the Staff, whatever they recommended.
And it didn’t look like they changed--
MAYOR BEER: Likewise, the same then would be
with the coniferous trees, not caliper, but - all of a sudden, I lose my
terminology.
MR. MCAFEE: We would certainly concede to the
Staff any landscaping requirements.
MAYOR PRO TEM RUDI: Mayor Beer.
MAYOR BEER: Mayor Pro Tem Rudi.
MAYOR PRO TEM RUDI: A couple of more
questions. Would you have objections if
we placed a restriction on this to allow no drive-thru restaurants?
MR. MCAFEE: I can’t answer that. The developer needs to answer that question.
MAYOR PRO TEM RUDI: And then what about a
requirement that whatever drive-thru you put in there, had the same color and
materials, consistency of materials, that are used on the retail buildings, so
that everything on that site was consistent?
MR. CANTRELL: Mayor Pro Tem, obviously
there’s no exactness to this in regards to what buildings or what solid
buildings are going to be built for function, for that matter. As Joe has said, these are pads at this point,
still speculation. It is our intent,
however, that architectural consistency occur both in color, possibly material,
signage, throughout the project. That’s
what makes it a project in lieu of a few pad sites and retail stores. So it’s our intention to do that.
MAYOR PRO TEM RUDI: I’m looking for more than
intention.
MR. CANTRELL: Yes. We are going to have architectural
restrictions that will keep consistency and conformity throughout the
development in materials, in colorization and signage.
MAYOR PRO TEM RUDI: And then my final question
probably is to Wingerson, or I might have to ask someone from the audience, but
can you tell me when the homes there were built?
MR. WINGERSON: It would be a better question
for the neighborhood.
UNKNOWN: I’ve lived there 20 years.
UNKNOWN: We’ve been there going on 17 years.
UNKNOWN: Early 1980's. Mine was built in ‘83 and moved in in ‘84 and
I think those along North Park are all pretty much the same.
MAYOR BEER: So 20, 25 years?
UNKNOWN: Yes.
UNKNOWN: For the record, all of those are
high enough to look down on all these air conditioners. You’re not going to hide them from anybody.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: I would like clarification
on that. I think we have a difference in
opinion with the elevation.
MAYOR BEER: Yes, we do. There are a number of unanswered questions
here that I think are going to need some, some additional review, additional
discussions. It needs to be looked at
some more. With, well - Councilman
Evans.
COUNCILMAN EVANS: If I may, Mayor, I have a
couple of questions, also.
MAYOR BEER: Sure.
COUNCILMAN EVANS: And this may be to Mr.
McAfee. With regard to your detention
basins, I’m having a hard, I’ve had great eyesight and I’m having a hard time
reading the, your dimension here for the base or the bottom of that basin. Is that 940 or 930? It goes from 960, 950, 940 in terms of how
this falls.
MR. MCAFEE: The detention basin located in
the northwest corner has a base elevation of approximately 935.
COUNCILMAN EVANS: Okay. So we’re falling 25 feet from 960 on the
outer edge here. Is that what I’m
seeing?
MR. MCAFEE: 60 on the outer edge, yeah, right
here.
COUNCILMAN EVANS: This is 960; correct?
MR. MCAFEE: That’s an existing 960.
COUNCILMAN EVANS: Okay.
MR. MCAFEE: But now, that building is
labeled.
COUNCILMAN EVANS: And then we’re going to 960
up here.
MAYOR BEER: Are these 10 foot--
MR. MCAFEE: Two foot. Two foot--
COUNCILMAN EVANS: My concern there is, these
detention basins work wonderfully, but when we’re, perhaps, at that 100 year
flood or storm at full basin, what are we going to do to protect these kids
from, perhaps, slipping down into this thing?
Is there any-
MR. MCAFEE: No. It’s--
COUNCILMAN EVANS: Would we require fencing or
have you proposed fencing?
MR. MCAFEE: We have not proposed fencing
because fencing is typically, if you keep your detention facility below 5 foot
of depth, by the American Public Works Association design, which is what Kansas
City Metro Area follows. Six foot is a
cutoff for putting a fence around the detention basin. We, obviously for other reasons, keep all our
depths below that 6 foot region in the first place. It’s a 3 to 1 slope going into the detention
basin. We, as a company, I refrain, or
my firm refrains, from putting up vertical walls, retaining walls, to create
the detention basin because of the safety issue. Each place where these are located, we
certainly wouldn’t be opposed to a fencing if Council deems that’s necessary,
but by the American Public Works Association, it’s not required.
COUNCILMAN EVANS: Then also, perhaps, you can
help me with the issue on the retaining walls.
I’ve noticed them all throughout the whole site. And we only had a couple of examples of the
retaining walls that were--
MR. MCAFEE: Well, there were 2, Staff asked
that we submit to 2 types of retaining wall.
I’ll be honest, we’ve only planned 1 type of retaining wall for this
project. That’s what they call
redi-rock. It is a concrete material
made under a controlled situation that appears to be a split faced rock. And the reason we were proposing redi-rock,
they are the bottom of the picture that Mr. Wingerson showed here, they were
the bottom one. They basically have got
a 4 foot wide, 4 foot long by 2 foot tall rock, the bottom picture. And the reason we proposed these is the walls
that are located on the north side of the property, are 10 to 13 foot
tall. Typically, anytime we get much
above an 8 foot wall, the keystone wall, which is shown above, is a lot smaller
block. It’s 16 inches wide by 8 inches
tall. And that block works pretty good
and you can get pretty good stability up to about 8 foot. Obviously, they build them a lot taller. Given the fact that we have buildings behind
these walls, we like the engineering aspects of the redi-rock, the larger
gravity wall. And we think anytime
you’re getting up with those taller walls, it’s going to look more natural as
opposed to just an 8 by 16 split face.
There’s a potential that we could use some of the keystone in some of
the other retaining wall situations internal to the site. As far as the look on that backside, it’s our
opinion that that bottom wall looks a lot more natural than that keystone wall
does.
MAYOR BEER: Are there any other questions for
Council?
MAYOR PRO TEM RUDI: Mayor Beer.
MAYOR BEER: Mayor Pro Tem.
MAYOR PRO TEM RUDI: One more. Counselor Ramsay, if you would help me out
here, please? Do we have any kind of
ordinance that restricts the sale of alcohol within a certain distance of a
school?
MS. LIMPIC: While you’re looking that
up. Can I ask, how long will it take for
those trees, those evergreen trees to grow, realistically? Do you guys have any idea?
MAYOR BEER: Well, that’s a good question you
asked because trees don’t come full grown and so while there is a period of
time, the gardeners in the audience know that there is a period of time of
infancy and juvenile growth, just kind of like people, until they become fully
grown.
MS. LIMPIC: We’ll all probably be dead by
then.
MAYOR BEER: Oh, no.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: Speak for yourself.
UNKNOWN: From my experience, these types of
trees average about 1 foot of growth in height every year. It will be 20 or 30 years before they get
full enough to really screen--
UNKNOWN: To do any good.
UNKNOWN: --sight or sounds.
UNKNOWN: On the topography, I might also
point out that if I walk out my walkout basement door, yeah, that may be above
me, but if I’m on my first floor, I’m not quite so sure. If I’m on the second floor where my bedroom
is, I’ll be looking down on the project.
MAYOR BEER: I feel very confident that this
will be some of the things that we’ll be looking at. Are there any other questions from Staff or
from Council? Unless we have new
testimony, I’m going to close the public hearing. Yes, ma’am.
MS. VALENCIANO: Hello, Mr. Mayor and City
Council. I am Phyllis Valenciano and our
property backs up to the storm retention basin that’s kind of in the middle of
this site as it is planned, and there is no evergreens there. There is no retention wall. There is nothing to prevent us from having a
total view of this privacy. I did the
walk in January with this group of gentlemen, and I expressed this to the
architects and they said there’s nothing they can do about it. I’m sorry, I’m not speaking into this. But, for the sake of our property, we had
zero privacy from this. And we bought
our lot where it is, knowing full well the zoning, as it is, not that it was
going to be changed. We bought for
natural privacy. That’s the way North
Haven East was built, was platted out, so that all the roads and houses had
natural privacy and all the homes were situated away from each other. The backs are angled away from each other, so
we’re not looking into everybody’s windows.
And now with this rezoning, we have no natural privacy to the
commercialism that would be put on this corner.
And respectively, I am requesting that you vote no on this rezoning and
consider, possibly, a financial center, a business center on this corner. We’d have daytime hours, less intensity of
all the types of pollutions that commercialism brings about. Save our neighborhoods for us to enjoy as we
bought it, please.
MAYOR BEER: Thank you, Ms. Valenciano.
MS. LOWREY: My name is Lavina Lowrey. I live at 6502 North Olive, Gladstone. I just would want to ask a question. You all have asked questions and you’ve gotten,
we could do that. Well, what does, is
there, we can do the that, does that mean we will do the that?
COUNCILMAN SMITH: They will do that or they
won’t do anything.
MS. LOWREY: Well, who’s going to hold them to
it?
COUNCILMAN SMITH: We will. That’s the job of the Staff and everyone
else. And, you know, once they, let’s
assume a worst case scenario, they present their plans and say they’re going to
do everything we ask them to do and then they start building it without being
in accordance with those plans, we shut them down.
MS. LOWREY: Who’s keeping track?
COUNCILMAN SMITH: This guy right here.
UNKNOWN: And then that’s when the voters,
that’s when the voters stand up.
MAYOR BEER: Good. Thank you.
Mr. Ramsay, have you an answer regarding the liquor sales near schools?
MR. RAMSAY: Yes. Section 3.15.1 of the City Code limits
intoxicating liquor sales to no closer than 100 feet to any portion of any
school or church measuring from the nearest point of the enclosing wall of the
premises to the nearest point of the church or school. That also applies to residential structures
in R-1 to R-4 zoning. And it is extended
to 200 feet to a dwelling structure that is located on a same street as the
business, which probably wouldn’t apply in this case. But essentially, it’s 100 feet from a house
or 100 feet from a school or a church.
MAYOR BEER: Any other questions from
Council? With that, the Public Hearing
is now closed.
ITEM
9a:
MAYOR
BEER: We have two issues before us. We
have item number 9A, which would be the First Reading of Bill 05-11, which
amends Ordinance No. 2.292 and being an Ordinance relating to Zoning Ordinance
Regulations and the establishment of Use Districts within the City of
Gladstone, Missouri.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: Mayor Beer.
MAYOR BEER: Councilman Smith.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: We’ll replace Bill 05-11 on
it’s first reading.
COUNCILMAN EVANS: Second.
MAYOR BEER: We have a motion and a second to
place Bill 05-11 on it’s first reading.
Is there any discussion?
COUNCILMAN SMITH: Mayor Beer. Mayor Pro Tem Rudi, go right ahead.
MAYOR PRO TEM RUDI: Okay. Mayor Beer.
MAYOR BEER: Mayor Pro Tem.
MAYOR PRO TEM RUDI: At this point, I’m not
sure that I can vote in favor of this. I
would be interested in putting this on its first reading and then moving this
to a future meeting where we can get some of these questions answered. Things like the elevations and that kind of
thing.
MAYOR BEER: This is the rezoning.
MAYOR PRO TEM RUDI: So I would be willing to
vote in favor of this for a first reading, but I would rather it didn’t go
farther than that.
MAYOR BEER: Is there any other
discussion? Councilman Smith, I believe,
probably sounded like he wanted to say something.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: Just on based on what Mayor
Pro Tem Rudi said, it might be good for the audience’s advocation to know that
what that means is, it’s almost administratively, if you will, to vote to place
this on its first reading and then we will not take it any further whether we
approve it or deny it and we would come back to it at our next Council
Meeting. And I can live with that. If you have questions that you feel need
answered, then we’d sure want to have all the information available to us
before we vote.
MAYOR BEER: Councilman Cross.
COUNCILMAN CROSS: Yes. I feel the same way.
MAYOR BEER: Councilman Evans.
COUNCILMAN EVANS: I feel the same way, Mayor
Beer.
MAYOR BEER: Okay. Well, I just would kind of like to, just kind
of like to add to that, I guess, a little bit.
It’s our responsibility as Councilmen to be advocates for the neighbors
and all residents, in fact, in the City.
And part of that advocacy sometimes can be distasteful for some, not
distasteful for others, but nevertheless, it’s an advocacy that has to take
place. And part of that advocacy
includes assuring that we have the best possible project that takes into
account not just the immediate neighborhood, but the City as a whole. And given the information that we have
tonight and given the information that I believe we still need, I believe it’s
necessary, also, for us to have some more, some more review, more discussions
between Staff and developer. I just
believe that this is necessary. And so
as a result from the standpoint of basic procedure, that this Council follows,
we probably do need to place this on a first reading and that it would then, it
would be, I believe, our intent that there would be no second reading, no
waiting of the rule for this evenings issues and for this to come back at our
next Council Meeting as our - generally speaking, our Council meets every 2
weeks. Council will not be here in 2
weeks. Our next Council Meeting would be
1 month from today. Is there any other
discussion? All those in favor, please
say aye?
(Wherein all members said aye)
MAYOR BEER: Opposed.
(Wherein there was no response)
MAYOR BEER: Madame Clerk, would you please
read the Bill?
MS. SWENSON: Yes, sir. First reading Bill 05-11, amending Ordinance
No. 2.292 and being an Ordinance relating to Zoning Ordinance Regulations and
the establishment of Use Districts within the City of Gladstone, Missouri.
COUNCILMAN SMITH: Do you have a date,
specific, Madame Clerk?
MAYOR BEER: That would be the 28th. By rule, since there is no vote to waive the
rule and go to the second and final reading, this matter will be taken up, the
second reading will be taken up at our next Council Meeting. And with that, item number 9B becomes a moot
issue until such time as the second reading is either finalized and accepted or
denied.
MR. RAMSAY: Mr. Mayor, if you could continue
Bill 05-12 to the same date.
MAYOR BEER: Okay. Does that require a vote? A motion and vote or is that just by rule.
MR. RAMSAY: No. I think you can declare it yourself.
MAYOR BEER: Okay. Item number 9B, the First Reading of Bill
05-12, will be continued to our next Council Meeting on the 28th of
March. Did that - am I correct now?
MR. RAMSAY: Yes.
MAYOR BEER: Okay. Thank you.
MR. RAMSAY: That saves any notice
provisions--
MAYOR BEER: Okay, thank you. Item number 10 is a - oh, let us, it’s
awfully late. I think that there are
probably, at least one of us, who needs a break. Let us recess until 10:45 and that will give
the, that will give some opportunity for those who do not wish to remain, a
chance to leave.
(End
of Public Hearing)
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Item 10. on the Agenda. PUBLIC HEARING: for consideration of a request to rezone from R-3 (Garden Apartments) to R-1 (Single Family) for “The Preserve at Carriage Hill Estates” at approximately Northeast Antioch Road east of Northeast 68th Terrace. Applicant/Owner: J.A. Peterson Enterprises, Inc. (File #1239).
Mayor Beer opened the Public Hearing and explained the Hearing process that City Staff will make their presentation, followed by a presentation by the Applicant and finally comments from those in Favor and those Opposed.
Assistant City Manager Scott Wingerson began by saying when this request went to the Planning Commission, it was in two pieces. The first piece was a zoning change from the current zoning of R-3 (Garden Apartments) to R-1 (Single Family). The Planning Commission unanimously recommends this request be approved. The second issue the Planning Commission discussed and voted upon was a preliminary plat. Preliminary plats are within the jurisdiction of the Planning Commission and do not move forward to the City Council. City Council members review the final plat. During the preliminary plat process, the Planning Commission discussed an estate style development on the piece of property described in the agenda caption. This development would contain 44 estate style lots. Some of the proposed amenities include a traffic circle to discourage traffic through the adjoining neighborhoods, private detention basins for storm water, and a walking trail. There was a great deal of discussion at the Planning Commission Public Hearing and the site visit concerning storm water and traffic.
Mr. Wingerson said the project engineers were present at the meeting and would be happy to discuss these issues. The detention basins in this proposed project will greatly reduce the storm water going through Stonebrooke Estates. Mr. Wingerson stated Mr. Cargill represented John F. Lutgen and Associates to the Planning Commission last week and there are two representatives here tonight who can discuss storm water issues. The traffic issue is a little bit different. Members of the Stonebrooke Estates neighborhood suggested that additional traffic control devices should be installed in the roadways internal for the development. Staff response to the Planning Commission and the City Council is to point out that upon entering the development, there is a divided roadway, followed by a traffic circle. The idea is to visibly discourage vehicles from turning into the area from the arterial roadway, which is Antioch Road. This will discourage vehicles from cutting through the neighborhood. Should the property to the south of the subject property develop, it is anticipated that Staff would suggest the same type of traffic control devices in that project, so traffic does not cut through from, theoretically, Pleasant Valley Road to 72nd Street.
Mr. Wingerson concluded by saying the request tonight is a zoning change from R-3 to R-1, and the Planning Commission is recommending approval.
Brian McMillan, a land planner for John F. Lutjen & Associates, 8350 North St. Claire Avenue, Kansas City, Missouri, 64151, stated he was representing the applicant, J. A. Peterson Company. Mr. McMillan began by saying Mr. Wingerson provided a very thorough presentation. The subject property is roughly a 37-acre tract of ground with a 44 large estate lot type development. The basic shape of the ground includes a ridge line around the top, forming something of a horseshoe. There will be a spine road along the top of the ridge line. There is no detention basin at this time. Rainfall goes down the drainage swale and heads north. Mr. McMillan stated there is proposed a divided median that Mr. Wingerson described, which ties into the arterial of Antioch Road. There is also proposed a ‘round about’ traffic calming device to dissuade traffic from driving through the neighborhood. Mr. McMillan pointed out on a rendering where the proposed development will tie into the arterial street, Antioch Road, and said this development is similar to Stonebrooke Estates that ties into 72nd Street.
Mr. McMillan explained the neighbors had concerns about drive through traffic, and said he wished to point out that it is good city street design to link neighborhoods together for fire safety and so forth. Much of Stonebrooke Estates have stubbed their streets out, and it is planned to do the same in this area for future development to the south. Should that development go, it is assumed they will also be tying into the arterial system. Mr. McMillan said his company has done what it could to dissuade the traffic from going through. There will be a stop sign at the “T” of the road, which should dissuade traffic from cutting through to get to 72nd Street. Mr. McMillan said he did not feel traffic cutting through would be a concern with this development.
Mr. McMillan said two basins are proposed, a dry basin and a wet basin, so the rain that falls on the houses on the outside of the ridge will drain to the street. Mr. McMillan pointed out on the rendering the houses where the rain water will be collected in a storm sewer system and brought into the basin. The water is then detained and released at a reduced rate back in the system. Mr. McMillan introduced Chris Chancellor, who is a principal of the firm and the project manager.
Chris Chancellor stated this will be a very non-intrusive development with large lots and the houses will be in the $400,000 to $500,000 range, and it fits very well with Stonebrooke Estates. The development will alleviate some of the storm water problems that are currently there. The traffic system includes a cul-de-sac at one end and the development tying into the neighborhood to the north. The development would be stubbed out to the south and the development would tie into the arterial system to the west.
Andy Clippard, 4116 NE 71st Court, Stonebrooke Estates, said he is President of his homes association. Mr. Clippard said he has heard no one who is not in favor of the zoning change. There were two primary concerns from Stonebrooke Estates homeowners, which were mentioned tonight. Mr. Clippard said his home is located on the low end of his area, by 72nd Street and the swimming pool, where the underground network comes above ground. There is quite a lake there when it rains, but it does eventually all go away. Mr. Clippard said he was told that if this had been built in Kansas City, it would all have been underground up to 72nd Street, rather than flowing over people’s lots. Mr. Clippard asked when the development is completed, who maintains the detention basins – the homes association?
Mayor Beer replied that generally the homeowner associations are responsible for the maintenance.
Mr. Clippard said he had a neighbor who was in a development in Raytown where it took $100,000 to fix their problem, but he did not know if the basins were the same as the ones proposed tonight. The homes association had to foot the bill. That is a concern, because if it is not fixed or maintained, his area will suffer downstream. Mr. Clippard said he wanted to be on the record to support the zoning change.
Bob Meyer, 7105 N. Norton, stated he is an officer in the Stonebrooke Estates Home Association, and everyone he has talked to is in favor of the project. The traffic issue is one concern he would like to put before the City Council. During the development stage it is intended to establish a barricade across the north side of the development so that the heavy equipment would not be going through his neighborhood, but would enter on the west side off of Antioch Road. Following the development, it was mentioned there would be signs on the north end of Stonebrooke Estates, which would discourage or prohibit the subcontractors from going through his neighborhood. Mr. Meyer said he wants to be sure these things do occur, so his neighborhood is not invaded by all types of traffic, heavy equipment and so forth, which is a safety hazard due to the small children in his area.
Mr. Meyer stated the intent is to put a ‘round about’ from the south, just like they will have on the west side. Mr. Meyer said he would be strongly in favor of that. In fact, he feels that it would be a necessity to have another ‘round about’ on the south side to discourage traffic through his neighborhood.
John Pace, 4028 NE 71st Court, said he is concerned about the traffic. Mr. Pace said in the future when there is a cut through from Pleasant Valley Road, he would appreciate having in writing there would be some kind of deterrent from the traffic taking a “straight shot” down Norton to 72nd Street, and 72nd Street to Brighton and on to I-435 Highway. North Brighton Street will become very populated with apartments, housing, the theatre, and commercial use. Mr. Pace said he has seen what has happened to North Bales Street, and he would not want to live on North Bales Street, and he could see that happening in his area. He lives in a beautiful area and they would like to keep it that way.
Dick Conn, 4021 NE 71st Court, stated he is in support of the zoning change from multi family to single-family housing. Mr. Conn asked if there would be a Public Hearing on the final plat for this development.
Mayor Beer replied, no, there is not a Public Hearing, but of course the deliberations from the Planning Commission and City Council are still public record.
Mr. Conn said he is not opposed to the development, but he sits at the bottom of the creek. Mr. Conn said if the new development’s detention pond does not hold, he will be going for a swim. Mr. Conn said he had a sump pump that did not work very well a while back and he did find the water comes up pretty quickly. Mr. Conn said he had water in his back lawn last summer, but that was the first time in three years, and it took a 3-inch rain with just the timber and no retention. It went away pretty quickly. Mr. Conn said he has a 36-inch storm sewer that goes across his back lawn, which absorbs the water coming down right now.
There was no one to speak in opposition to the application.
Councilman Smith said he wants to be certain the City can give Mr. Conn and other neighbors the assurance on the storm drainage.
Mayor Beer said he attended the Planning Commission meetings and feels very confident in the presentations that were made by the developer and his representatives. One of the points that were made fairly early on was that the run-off rate would be decreased. Mayor Beer said he has confidence that these engineers have metered their detention basins in such a way that the rate of release will be much less than the rate of water infiltration into the drainage system now. The pooling and ponding should be greatly reduced.
Mayor Beer closed the Public Hearing.
Item 10a. on the Agenda. FIRST READING BILL 05-13, amending Ordinance No. 2.292 and being an Ordinance relating to Zoning Ordinance Regulations and the establishment of Use Districts within the City of Gladstone, Missouri.
Councilman Bill Cross moved to place Bill No. 05-13 on First Reading. Councilman Joe Evans seconded. The vote: All “aye” – Councilman Joe Evans, Councilman Les Smith, Councilman Bill Cross, Mayor Pro Tem Carol Rudi, Mayor Wayne Beer. (5-0). The Clerk read the Bill.
Councilman Bill Cross moved to accept the First Reading of Bill 05-13, Waive the Rule and place the Bill on Second and Final Reading. Mayor Pro Tem Carol Rudi seconded. The vote: All “aye” – Councilman Joe Evans, Councilman Les Smith, Councilman Bill Cross, Mayor Pro Tem Carol Rudi, Mayor Wayne Beer. (5-0). The Clerk read the Bill.
Councilman Bill Cross moved to accept the Second and Final Reading of Bill 05-13 and enact the Bill as Ordinance 3.949. Mayor Pro Tem Carol Rudi seconded.
Mayor Pro Tem Carol Rudi asked City staff to please give the necessary
assurance to the neighborhood regarding the traffic and storm water concerns.
Roll Call Vote: All “aye” –
Councilman Joe Evans, Councilman Les Smith, Councilman Bill Cross, Mayor Pro
Tem Carol Rudi, Mayor Wayne Beer. (5-0).
Item 11. on the Agenda. RESOLUTION R-05-22, disclosing and ratifying the City Council’s prior action in purchasing the Atkins-Johnson Home Historical Site.
Councilman Les Smith moved to adopt RESOLUTION 05-22, disclosing and ratifying the City Council’s prior action in purchasing the Atkins-Johnson Home Historical Site. Mayor Pro Tem Carol Rudi seconded. The vote: All “aye” – Councilman Joe Evans, Councilman Les Smith, Councilman Bill Cross, Mayor Pro Tem Carol Rudi, and Mayor Wayne Beer. (5-0)
Item 12. on the Agenda. OTHER BUSINESS
Councilman Bill Cross moved to appoint Hester Duisik to the Arts Council. Councilman Les Smith seconded. The vote: All “aye” – Councilman Joe Evans, Councilman Les Smith, Councilman Bill Cross, Mayor Pro Tem Carol Rudi, and Mayor Wayne Beer. (5-0)
Councilman Smith asked if Council needed to deal with the deannexation memo received from City Counselor Ramsay before the meeting. (Note: the subject discussed in the memorandum was the “Status of Water Plant Deannexation by Kansas City”).
City Counselor Ramsay replied the memorandum was an item of information. Guidance is needed tonight or in the next few days from Council members as to how to proceed with the insistence by the City of Kansas City that we make a permanent restriction on signage on that property.
Mayor Beer stated there has been discussion on this from time to time, and his initial thoughts were that he does not like being told by someone else that the City cannot put up a billboard, even though the City does not want to put up a billboard. However, looking at past Council’s action and this Council’s recent action in regard to that issue, Mayor Beer said he has no other than a philosophical opposition to providing that assurance to them.
Councilman Smith stated as Council does not meet for another month and because there is a desire to “strike while the iron is hot”, if these are the conditions, he suggests Council do whatever needs to be done to give that consensus to Counselor Ramsay.
Councilman Evans agreed he does not like someone else telling the City what to do. However, it is a valuable piece of property that the City does need to obtain.
Mayor Beer said the property is probably worth more to the City in the tax savings than any income that could be gained.
Councilman Bill Cross agreed to proceed.
Mayor Pro Tem Carol Rudi agreed to proceed.
Mayor Beer stated the consensus is to proceed and to give the City of Kansas City the assurance of a permanent restriction on signage on the Water Plant property as the City of Kansas City requires for the deannexation.
Item 13. on the Agenda. QUESTIONS FROM THE NEWS MEDIA
There were no questions from the News Media.
Item 14. on the Agenda. ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to come before the February 28, 2005, Gladstone City Council Meeting, Mayor Wayne Beer adjourned the Regular Meeting.
Respectfully submitted:
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Cathy Swenson, City Clerk
Approved as submitted: _____
Approved as corrected/amended: _____
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Mayor Wayne Beer